Eh Steel Rule I think Gun Source had these for sale a while back.....

By the way, howz the family doing?

Haha! Wassup my Braddah!

Da fam is good lol

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Bump

What exactly are you bumping?

Bumping for more info...

I was looking into picking one of these up, so I wanted to learn more about this particular rifle...

Well they seem to be OK.  My one concern with that rifle is if you have that in pieces and step on that op rod, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole bolt carrier needs to go back to PWS to be repaired.  On the plus side, it seems to be a pretty light piston rifle.......maybe one of the lightest out there?

Right on GZire, dually noted...appreciate it bra

I recently bought an MK114 chambered in 5.56 and have let a lot of my friends shoot it and they all absolutely marvel at its performance and out of the box accuracy.  Some have even become converts.  My main reasons for choosing this particular rifle versus a DI style rifle was felt recoil and overall weight of the rifle.  This all mattered to me because I recently started getting my wife into shooting.  She has never fired a gun let alone even held one until a few months ago.  We went to Gun Source and Tony gave it to her to hold.  She was really comfortable with it.  It was light and adjustable for her frame.  She is very  petite standing only 4'10" and really slender.  When we got it we took it out to the range and she thoroughly loves it, in fact I think she's put more rounds through it to date than I have.  Now yes it does cost more than other systems, even if you were to build it up yourself, but for the confidence and enjoyment it has given my wife in shooting its worth every penny.  Now if PWS would just make one in 6.5 Grendel I would be in heaven.

^^^Light weight doesn't help recoil, but I tell you what the PWS comp does.  I think that Battlecomp and Surefire put out some nice comps.

^^^Light weight doesn't help recoil, but I tell you what the PWS comp does.  I think that Battlecomp and Surefire put out some nice comps.

Yes I know that light weight has nothing to do with recoil but light weight combined with other attributes of the PWS system makes a nice shooting rifle for small framed women.  The light weight was so that she could easily shoulder the gun and shoot from a standing position.  She tried my friends Rock River a few times and really didn't care for it, too heavy and makes my arms sore and all these little whiney remarks.  None what so ever with this gun.  She also tried a Bushmaster that belongs to our friend's friend that we went shooting with.  That one was uncomfortable mainly because it didn't have an adjustable butt stock plus the weight was about the same as the Rock River.  But my wife has learned that weight is a good thing when shooting handguns such as a 357 Magnum... her recoil management is damn near perfect.  You should have seen our instructors' jaws drop when she shot it and hit her mark everytime  with solid technique.  I wish I could day she learned it from me but no such luck.  Rifle wise the 5.56/.223  is the largest round she's shot to date.  You are right though the PWS compensator really helps with the muzzle rise on such a light gun so that quick follow up shots are easy to do.  She has no problems... in fact if I don't practice she may become a better shot than me.

I am hoping to build an 6.5 Grendel based AR in which I plan to use  a PWS buffer tube and a Enidine hydraulic buffer, but I plan to try a Vias muzzle break which my wife's cousin reccomends.  If she does well with that then move on up to a 308 bolt action.  With both those rifles I don't think there is really going to be a way to skirt the weight issue... oh well I guess I should make her do all the heavy lifting from now until then  .

I agree, If you can get it cheaper somewhere else...so be it.

While I am Big Al's biggest proponent, I am also a fan of "buy locally."  I consider 5% a reasonable "mark-up" for buying from a local vendor over buying from far, far away.  I'll happily pay $1050 for a product I could have gotten for $1000 if the difference means a local vendor  gets the business.  It's just sad to me how rarely that is the case. 

^^^OGC has been really good to sell items that match mainland pricing.  Tony from Gun Source had told me that he'd be matching prices as well, but the last time I was in there he was selling a HK MR223 for $500 above pricing, so that didn't last too long.  For me if I was to buy something off the shelf I'd go to OGC.

I ordered my mk114 from Tony back in June and love it. It shoots well and is real easy to clean. OGC sells the MK114 for a hundred dollars less.
Now i do all my shopping at OGC.

Considering it happened right on the range at the designated marksman course last year at Kbay I'm pretty sure I'll be able to oblige.  I'll ask for pictures and post when I get them.  I never saw the rifle in person but did see the pictures and certainly believed them.  I'll get back when possible.

 I'm not trying to bash the product, in fact I've posted quite the opposite.  But it's put up or shut up on me so I'll dig into it.

Quote from: Primary Weapons Systems on May 09, 2011, 07:45:30 AM

Quote from: OGC on April 13, 2011, 07:47:07 AM

I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome.  Only issue was op rod failures.  I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure.  Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face.  It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1.  Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary.  That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.

Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.

I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products.  It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.

As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue. 

If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.

PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206

Do you have pictures of the OP rod failure? 

Quote from: OGC on May 09, 2011, 08:30:21 AM

Considering it happened right on the range at the designated marksman course last year at Kbay I'm pretty sure I'll be able to oblige.  I'll ask for pictures and post when I get them.  I never saw the rifle in person but did see the pictures and certainly believed them.  I'll get back when possible.

 I'm not trying to bash the product, in fact I've posted quite the opposite.  But it's put up or shut up on me so I'll dig into it.

Quote from: Primary Weapons Systems on May 09, 2011, 07:45:30 AM

Quote from: OGC on April 13, 2011, 07:47:07 AM

I think the engineering and design on the diablos is awesome.  Only issue was op rod failures.  I had heard that they would start being cryogenic hardened which would reduce the chance of a failure.  Our concern is that through personal experience I saw an op rod break and pierce the top rail if the receiver headed straight for the shooters face.  It stopped short embedded in the aimpoint T1.  Until I am convinced this has been a rectified issue I'm wary.  That being said the failures are isolated incidents and it's just a personal choice to make sure that's fixed before carrying the rifle at OGC.

Hello to the 2aHawaii Forum and its members.

I would like to thank every PWS Rifle, upper, and accessory owner in the Islands for your amazing support of the MK114 and other PWS products.  It is very exciting to see so many people thrilled with your products and how the word of mouth spreads like wild fire when that product impresses its new owner.
This being said it is disheartening and frankly sad when someone posts incorrect (everyone makes a mistake) or worse yet, fabricated misinformation in order to try and dirty a particular product, manufacturer or their dealer's reputation in the eyes of those that read this forum.

As a result of the above post, I would like to ask the posting party for OGC Tactical to produce documentaion of this failure of an op-rod piercing the top rail or admit that their post is completely fabricated and untrue. 

If anyone here has any questions about the quality and reliability of our products, you can contact me directly at the following.

PWS Inc
Mr. Stacey Nagy
stacey@primaryweapons.com
208-344-5217 ext 206

Do you have pictures of the OP rod failure?

No pictures or proof to date.

I am very curious of the authenticity of this failure. Not sure if is legit our Fabricated.  It sounds very serious. 

Debating on pickup up this rifle.  Not being able to produce actual proof really makes me skeptical about OGC's credibilty. 

^^^Not everyone takes pictures all the time.  I've picked a shaved piece of a 357 jacket out of my arm before (actually a couple of pieces).  It happened, but I don't have pics.

If you want a PWS, then buy one.

^^^Not everyone takes pictures all the time.  I've picked a shaved piece of a 357 jacket out of my arm before (actually a couple of pieces).  It happened, but I don't have pics.

If you want a PWS, then buy one.

Agreed.  We're all conditioned to immediately say, "Pics or it didn't happen,"  but pics aren't always available.  I've seen a lot of things about OGC on a lot of threads, but none of it substantiated in any meaningful way, and I've never heard somebody call them dishonest, or anything of the sort.  If OGC says he saw one blow up in the manner described, I believe him. 

I also wouldn't let it color my opinion of a particular firearm.  If nobody ever bought a make/model of firearm that had suffered a catastrophic failure, there'd be no gun companies left.  If you look around the dark recesses of the internet, you'll find stories and pictures of all kinds of guns coming unglued and injuring people, but that's not the norm, even for bottom of the barrel guns. (Can't wait for KingKeoni's Hi-Point review!  )  Any gun may come apart at any time, for a variety of reasons, but the odds of it happening to you are statistically insignificant and not worth worrying about.  Much more germane in terms of "quality" is how well the gun works.  Does it cycle reliably with a wide range of ammo brands?  Does it feel good ergonomically?  Is it too heavy, or too light?  All those things you can find a plethora of information on.  It's much harder to find info on operating rods blowing up recievers and putting out eyeballs, because it basically never happens, with any gun, without a damn good reason.  (i.e.  I used it for a muzzle-down walking stick while hiking ten miles in to my hunting stand, then immediately took a shot at a bull moose.  Derp!) 

TLDR: If a PWS fits you well, feels good, meets any coolness requirements you might have, and seems like it will function reliably, buy a PWS, and forget the worst-case horror stories.

I am very curious of the authenticity of this failure. Not sure if is legit our Fabricated.  It sounds very serious. 

Debating on pickup up this rifle.  Not being able to produce actual proof really makes me skeptical about OGC's credibilty.

TROLLAGE

In interests of full disclosure it turns out the op rod failure turned out to be an Adams Arms system, NOT a PWS...

Not a fabrication at all.  In fact, the guy pointing out the rod broken through the rail is Travis Haley, this is at KBay







It was misreported to us.  As far as we are aware, the PWS rifles have no more common failures than happen to all other AR platforms like extractor or firing pin failures.

Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting.  Never doubted you.  In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?

Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting.  Never doubted you.  In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?

Sure!  Absolutely anything can fail.  I've seen Colts, the definition of milspec, have failure and cycle issues right our of the box.  Its really rare, but it happens.  What matters at that point is how the manufacturer/distributor rectifies the problem.  As far as I have read, in almost every case PWS has worked with the customer to make it right, although almost all of the credible failures online seem to be from the early retrofit days, not the fully manufactured rifles.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on November 01, 2011, 08:40:39 PM

Interesting pics, OGC, thanks for posting.  Never doubted you.  In your professional opinion, would you agree that a catastrophic failure of the weapon like that one is pretty much one in a million, and can be safely disregarded when shopping for a new gun?

Sure!  Absolutely anything can fail.  I've seen Colts, the definition of milspec, have failure and cycle issues right our of the box.  Its really rare, but it happens.  What matters at that point is how the manufacturer/distributor rectifies the problem.  As far as I have read, in almost every case PWS has worked with the customer to make it right, although almost all of the credible failures online seem to be from the early retrofit days, not the fully manufactured rifles.

Good point, that wasn't one of the things that came to mind when I was thinking about it.  I'll have to keep that in mind when I'm buying my next gun.  Honestly, you don't hear much in reviews and whatnot about companies' customer service when guns have problems.  It's easy to find out how susceptible a particular model is to feed failures, failures to extract, and so-on, but you never hear about the big, big problems.

+1 for credibility.

Carter, I'm glad you were able to get the pics and explain the problem. It sounds like PWS is good to go.