Damn it I want to be there tomorrow.   A previous engagement prevent this.  I hope you all give em hell!

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Yeah for those that failed the last APFT.

Yeah for those that failed the last APFT.

was lead story on channel 2 news

Before jumping to conclusions about Knudsen's involvement in the shut down, consider that that Knudsen's complaint is only one of several concerns that the Mayor may have.  I was at the pistol side last week and spoke to an RO who is a friend of mind. He showed me a picture of a round that was just  found on the Ewa side of the pistol range where the shooters are positioned. It was a large copper jacketed round with a mangled nose and the shooter of that round was identified due to the calliber of the round.The round was heard zinging by a pistol shooter.  Incidentally, I also happen to know the shooter as well. I was told that the bullet ricocheted and flew over the hollow tile wall separating the rifle from the pistol range and struck the rocks on the Ewa side of the pistol range where shooters are or could be stationed. I also over heard the RO sitting in the booth talking about the round and that it could have negative ramifications on the range if the word got out.  A ricocheting round striking the area near the shooters clearly presents a dangerous condition and imposes a legal duty upon a land owner to take affirmative action to warn and/or take precautions from preventing injury. Knowing the existence of a dangerous condition, my guess is that the Mayor had no choice but to shut the rifle range down to avoid liability and protect the C&C of Honolulu against potential liability until a reasonable solution could be found. 

This sucks. I would like to be there tomorrow to show support but I have drill this weekend.

RUTA!!! If can 

Boomah

Before jumping to conclusions about Knudsen's involvement in the shut down, consider that that Knudsen's complaint is only one of several concerns that the Mayor may have.  I was at the pistol side last week and spoke to an RO who is a friend of mind. He showed me a picture of a round that was just  found on the Ewa side of the pistol range where the shooters are positioned. It was a large copper jacketed round with a mangled nose and the shooter of that round was identified due to the calliber of the round.The round was heard zinging by a pistol shooter.  Incidentally, I also happen to know the shooter as well. I was told that the bullet ricocheted and flew over the hollow tile wall separating the rifle from the pistol range and struck the rocks on the Ewa side of the pistol range where shooters are or could be stationed. I also over heard the RO sitting in the booth talking about the round and that it could have negative ramifications on the range if the word got out.  A ricocheting round striking the area near the shooters clearly presents a dangerous condition and imposes a legal duty upon a land owner to take affirmative action to warn and/or take precautions from preventing injury. Knowing the existence of a dangerous condition, my guess is that the Mayor had no choice but to shut the rifle range down to avoid liability and protect the C&C of Honolulu against potential liability until a reasonable solution could be found.

If people shooting paper (not steel) into the burm how did the ricochet happen? Was it from shooting diagonally at another target?

Just curious...

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The ass use the playbook that cost the archery range at Kapiolani Park.

Make enough complaints and threat of liability issues will cause someone to do something

Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.

As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.

I will be there today to ask these questions.

Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.

As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.

I will be there today to ask these questions.

kinglui I think this whole thing first off is liability backed by a bunch of people who hate this place and the object which it revolves around. On this topic no feelings are spared theses fricken people will kick you in the nuts and run laughing! We all know that if khsc needed anything our shooting community could accomplish it in days no matter the task I know this in my heart. But thw forces that be kinda enjoys those nut shots

Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.

As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.

I will be there today to ask these questions.

excellent point
i hope everyone who has one is given a chance to ask it
i have found that the mayor is quite approachable
as are gene ward and sam slom, who i hope will be there today too

The ass use the playbook that cost the archery range at Kapiolani Park.

Make enough complaints and threat of liability issues will cause someone to do something

true dat
hopefully they won't be as successful
there are many more gun owners than archery peeps

It was reported Caldwell will be there today, but take look at his calendar:

Saturday, December 7

    7:45 a.m. to 9 a.m. – 72nd Annual Pearl Harbor Day commemoration, Pearl Harbor
    9 a.m. to 11 a.m. – Mililani Holiday Parade, Town Center of Mililani.
    4 p.m. to 10 p.m. – Honolulu City Lights, Honolulu Hale.  Live coverage on ‘Olelo.
    5 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. – Kawaiahao Church Concert, Kawaiahao Church.

...Maybe it wasn't updated but it still leaves little possibility he's there at 11:30. I hope he is, but to anyone not able to come right at 11:30 - don't let that stop you from coming. He's likely to be late if he shows at all.

They closed the silly side too

Pistol side still open?

They closed the silly side too

crap
that's uncalled for
there's gonna be a lot of pissed off people in front of the media

someone, please, go to the silhouette side and tell everyone that comes not to leave, and stay until 11:30 am

Pistol side still open?

For now.

I hear noises from over there.

I came down to zero a rimfire rifle, but Carl closed down so the Mayor could have a look-see at silly side without folks shooting.

There are a couple of folks picking through the silhouette berm for copper or lead.

It makes me wonder, since the opening day, has the range ever had upgrades or cleaning, etc. I know indoor ranges have to get the trap cleaned, lead levels, etc, etc. Has any cleanup efforts happened since it opened?