I would have invited him down for some food and beer and said chill the fuck out boss. how can any one say not to spam, rice, poke, and all the great foods here in hawaii. after a full stomach we drink brew and likker and enjoy the day.

I don't know about CCW, but if he'd come at me like that, especially if my wife and daughter were present, the last thing he would've remembered saying would've been
"wat fukka". I'd have driven his little dick into the dirt.

But then, I've done it before. It's the only thing they seem to understand. 

Gosh. You cant win for losing. police are mad. Locals are mad. Locals conduct......bad. POLICE conduct...........really bad. Un-professional at best. CCW plays no part in either. Sorry for the bad behavior. By the local guy and the local law enforcement. As a local, I apologize. As a Deputy Sheriff law enforcement.... I apologize. Really un-professional. Dang. We as 2@ people need to conduct ourselves better than this. Avoid confrontation. The best confrontation is the one avoided. I cant believe the cop though. Trained and 20 plus years service....shameful. Hang tuff boys. We know better. Focus on the legislature. Thats where our battle is.

I'm Hawaiian /japanese so am I a Moke ?

Moke, haole, portagee, Japanese. whatever you may be.  That jackass does not need to be defended.  That behavior is just plain wrong.  Imagine it was a white guy there screaming "fuck Hawaiians."  How you think that would go over.  I don't care what color you are, that was just plain punk assedness.     and, I don't see this as being relevant to CCW whatsoever. 

Moke, haole, portagee, Japanese. whatever you may be.  That jackass does not need to be defended.  That behavior is just plain wrong.  Imagine it was a white guy there screaming "fuck Hawaiians."  How you think that would go over.  I don't care what color you are, that was just plain punk assedness.     and, I don't see this as being relevant to CCW whatsoever.

was I asking YOU ? NO . It was a simple question. Who gives a flying fuck what race they are talking about ? You know what fuck Hawaiian's what have they done for Hawaiians ? Nothing put you on a fucking list for homes , schools ?  Me defend him ? No all I said was don't be quick to judge . What if the dude said something stupid to him ?

Too bad the dog didn't attack and bite the shit out of him. But then again someone would have said the dog should be put down for being violent.

the dog should of attacked him at least he would of went down swinging .

I'm Hawaiian /japanese so am I a Moke ?

Conveniently you must not have read the rest of the description. Personally I thought it was very fitting and an accurate description of the guy in the video, as well as many of the people I have had the pleasure of growing up with here in Hawaii.  If you meet all the criteria set fourth in the full description of Moke then yes, you probably are. But only being hawaiian/japanese would not qualify you for the criteria. Furthermore I don't care what race he is either. I have seen plenty of haole people who act just like this guy. Its just another dipshit acting tough with something he was not even involved in.

Couple questions: Was this guy Hawaiian? Did he have an education? Did he have a father? Lots of pent up anger.
Doubt he would've done anything if the people at the bench were these guys



I don't think Doughboy had a CCW?!

Increase the peace Yo!

Conveniently you must not have read the rest of the description. Personally I thought it was very fitting and an accurate description of the guy in the video, as well as many of the people I have had the pleasure of growing up with here in Hawaii.  If you meet all the criteria set fourth in the full description of Moke then yes, you probably are. But only being hawaiian/japanese would not qualify you for the criteria. Furthermore I don't care what race he is either. I have seen plenty of haole people who act just like this guy. Its just another dipshit acting tough with something he was not even involved in.

lol I know what you meant. Just having fun with this thread because it's stupid . Dude was very wrong on how he acted . Also has nothing to do with CCW .  Keep calm and carry on

Couple questions: Was this guy Hawaiian? Did he have an education? Did he have a father? Lots of pent up anger.
Doubt he would've done anything if the people at the bench were these guys



I don't think Doughboy had a CCW?!

Increase the peace Yo!

lol Doughboy

Reminded me of this classic Mafia scene...sometimes the so called tough guy ends up on the losing end when he messes with the wrong guy .

If you can't take a few angry words, you don't need a concealed weapon, you just need some vagisil.

Well said...

BTW, it not only "locals" that are drunk at the beach destroying property. On more than one occasion tourists or military have been arrested acting a fool at the beach.

I'm hawaiian/Caucasian. I guess I'm a moke with a college degree.

I'm Hawaiian /japanese so am I a Moke ?

A 'Moke', when used in a derogatory tense, is usually someone who makes the Hawaiian people look like complete fucking morons, and are therefore the embarrassment of our people. They tend to be individuals who believe that because they are of Hawaiian ancestry, everything they say/know about Hawaii its culture is correct. When speaking on issues within the Hawaiian community, they tend to blame a specific group of people, known as 'the evil haole man', for all the problems within the Hawaiian community. They then justify this point not with legitimate facts based upon the historical works of Hawaiian scholars such as Kamakau or Pakui, but rather from racist, idiotic, ideological ramblings from individuals of Hawaiian ancestry who, like them, can't speak their own language, know nothing about the true history of their people, and think that wearing HIC surf shorts with the island chain emblem, waving a sovereignty flag and having a Hawaiian last name and brown skin makes you Hawaiian, and that all the problems in their life are because the evil haole man stole their land and culture, all while they enjoy the luxuries and liberties that come with being an American.

i am not understanding where ccw comes into play here
yeah, ok, he's mouthy and advancing with his hands in his pockets, but at what point would you do anything with a concealed handgun?
please learn me

It comes into play because those who have been involved in situations like this know that if a guy is acting all crazy like, who knows what he might be capable of. Not sure if anyone here has had an aggravated individual pull a knife on them during an 'escalated conversation', or if anyone has seen or been blindsided with a brick or brass knuckles while attempting to take someone down, but that shit isn't fun to be apart of, and it sure isn't as romantic as they make it look in the movies. 

Its funny how people say, 'yeah...I would have just beat his ass!' Ok...lets say you proceed to beat his ass, and he or his wonderful girlfriend in the background stabs you or somehow incapacitates you with some sort of designated/improvised weapon? You can give all the false cracks you want; I've seen too many individuals injured because they thought that they could Chuck Norris someone that they completely underestimated. 

The firearm is, when used in these situations, an equalizer or gives its user the upper hand to take control of the situation. How does this video apply to CCW?

You ask him to stop and back up.
If he doesn't, you ask him again.
If he still doesn't, you tell him to back up with presentation of deadly force.
If he still doesn't,  you neutralize the treat with deadly force, because anyone stupid enough to not take the first 3 hints and back off is probably stupid enough to seriously injure you.

Do you honestly think people would be acting like this idiot if CCW / Open carry were a normal practice? I highly doubt it. As the saying goes: 'An armed society is a polite society.'


Why do we carry firearms? So we can protect ourselves, our loved ones and our property from bodily injury/damage and/or death. If given the choice to neutralize the situation through unarmed combat or the ability to present/utilize deadly force, I am going to take the path of least resistance. And if you don't have what it takes to have that kind of mind set, then sit down and eat your lunch, because I hate you and you stole our land 



P.S. I forgot that we could also throw cats and butterflies at possible assailants, so maybe the CCW argument is invalid at this point.

As soon as intent, opportunity, capability are met - I'm not about to wait for shit to go down.  I would have most likely tried to leave, if followed then I could pull the knife / spray.

You don't just get to run up on people and threaten them with harm.

"(2)  The use of deadly force is justifiable under this section if the actor believes that deadly force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury."

Do I think it's necessary to use it? Well that depends.  He looks wired, agitated, younger, more threatening, more athletic, and more capable of putting up a sustained fight then the average person.    Serious bodily injury?  Felony could be considered serious injury, and this guy is capable of that.

Damn, good to know where a few of you stand When it comes to a local yelling some racial slurs.  As much as i love my 2A privileges, I hope some of you never get concealed carry, you dont deserve it.  By the looks of some of the comments, we may see another "Deedy like" incident here if we had ccw.
I can just imagine what you might do if you came upon an impromptu haka or somebody gave you stink eye.

Overreacting to the fear of what "could happen" is the sign of a true coward. 

Overreacting to the fear of what "could happen" is the sign of a true coward.

Speaking of cowards....weren't you the guy who was talking all sorts of smack on the Roosevelt post, yet backed off when ImKu invited you to bench 80?

The firearm is, when used in these situations, an equalizer or gives its user the upper hand to take control of the situation. How does this video apply to CCW?

You ask him to stop and back up.
If he doesn't, you ask him again.
If he still doesn't, you tell him to back up with presentation of deadly force.
If he still doesn't,  you neutralize the treat with deadly force, because anyone stupid enough to not take the first 3 hints and back off is probably stupid enough to seriously injured.

So you're going to use deadly force on someone because they you verbally told them to back off and they didn't???

The firearm should never be looked at as an equalizer or the upper hand as you described it. It is a tool used as a last resort to defend your life or someone else's life, after all other options have been exhausted, from deadly force, rape, or kidnapping.

You are the type of person I hope and pray never have the opportunity to carry concealed because you will fuck it up for others by power tripping.

Have fun in prison.

Damn, good to know where a few of you stand When it comes to a local yelling some racial slurs.  As much as i love my 2A privileges, I hope some of you never get concealed carry, you dont deserve it.  By the looks of some of the comments, we may see another "Deedy like" incident here if we had ccw.
I can just imagine what you might do if you came upon an impromptu haka or somebody gave you stink eye.

Being "haole", and having had to deal with this kind of behavior, I think there's a big difference between a guy standing in park yelling racial slurs, and someone rolling up in your face yelling "wat fukka".

Whatever these people did to attract this idiots attention aside, he was definitely showing intent to do bodily harm.

Under these circumstances, these simple rules have served me well;

Hit first.

Hit hard.

Hit often.

Repeat as needed until threat is neutralized.

As far as CCW, this situation only has merit as a "draw", "no draw" scenario. IMO it's no draw, unless a few of his buddies try to jump in and change the equation.