2aHawaii was disagreeing with Dblnaknak's opinion/belief "that if you can't defend yourself without a gun, you have no business carrying a gun for defense."  2aHawaii gave examples of people who are unable to defend themselves and therefore DEPEND ON firearms for protection. 

Saying nobody should carry a gun unless they can protect themselves without a gun is like saying you can't go to the grocery store unless you grow your own food first.  It makes no sense whatsoever!

how'd you do that? I don't see it anywhere in my options.

how'd you do that? I don't see it anywhere in my options.

If you look at my post it was quoting Dblnaknak and asking Dblnaknak which of the two possible absurdities his/her words could have meant was true. E.g. "If you're too weak to defend yourself without a firearm then you ought not be allowed to have a firearm to defend yourself." Does anyone really believe that a 5' 2" 95 pound woman, even with martial arts training, has a chance to defend herself successfully without weapons against two young guys each weighing 250 pounds? Get real.

By the way, when are Hawaii citizens going to be allowed to CCW expandable batons, pepper spray in greater than 1/4 oz. containers, "stun guns", etc. that are now all prohibited? We aren't allowed to even have the ability to protect ourselves in public with close-quarters non-lethal defensive arms. "Bear arms" means nothing to the fascist statist government bureaucrats of Hawaii.

You know a stun gun would make the job of mugging or rapping so much easier.

Yeah I have a problem reading ... your mind!  Say what you mean and use a broader vocabulary.  It's not my reading -- it's your writing.
What you said was "passing a "compentency test"? Similar to..." 
You need to be more explicit.  Are you referring to mental competency, or did you mean "firearm proficiency and shooting skills?"
After reading your constant postings against CCW for anyone other than law enforcement because of your personal fears and beliefs, I'm curious whether you actually support any level of competency tests (mental or firearms proficiency) to the point it will persuade you to trust civilians with conceal firearms in public, lest you get hit by a random stray bullet!

Regardless, Some don't have the maturity, nor possess the common sense, to carry.

While likely a true statement, how would you suggest to ferret out those who don't possess the maturity or common sense to carry and still maintain an issuance scheme that was based on objective criteria and not subjective opinions of government bureaucrats?

like I said, some dont have the presence of mind to CCW.
you call it "the movies" understanding of firearms. 
I asked you before, if CCW is opened to whoever wants to apply. Wouldnt you think at least of few people with "the movies" understanding would be carrying?
as I suggested, maybe a passing a "compentency test"? Similar to one of the funtimes teaches?

So, you are saying only those deemed "competent" by some government-run agency are allowed the right to defend themselves with firearms against criminals, while all others are just out of luck victims?
What could possibly go wrong there, seeing how the government never, ever demonstrates their own incompetence. 
Just brilliant ... 

look.  Do you have a problem reading? Where the hell did I say anything about a government agency.  If you could read, you would have seen where i pointed out "similar to what funtimes teaches".  is funtimes class a  government run agency? 
Now who's brilliant? SMH

Yeah I have a problem reading ... your mind!  Say what you mean and use a broader vocabulary.  It's not my reading -- it's your writing.
What you said was "passing a "compentency test"? Similar to..." 
You need to be more explicit.  Are you referring to mental competency, or did you mean "firearm proficiency and shooting skills?"
After reading your constant postings against CCW for anyone other than law enforcement because of your personal fears and beliefs, I'm curious whether you actually support any level of competency tests (mental or firearms proficiency) to the point it will persuade you to trust civilians with conceal firearms in public, lest you get hit by a random stray bullet!

Our rights were created for EVERYONE. Some may use them wisely, some not. It is NOT for us to decide."The test" was being born american and human. Everybody has a God given right to self defense. Especially with a Gun. Human life is precious. Even those who disagree with us. Dont start splitting our cause. We can train everyone to their best ability. We are facing the same obstacles as other states that began CCW. The same B.S. thinking etc. Guess what??? The worst NEVER happened. We as gun owners were very law abiding and careful. Stay together guys. We are soooo close. Do not separate ourselves. Include ALL those who want a CCW. The rest CAN be taught.Be inclusive. Take the higher ground. Thanks for hearing me out.
Pastor Dennis

like I said, some dont have the presence of mind to CCW.

you call it "the movies" understanding of firearms. 

[and then later...]:

"The topic of discussion in this thread is CCW in Hawaii, - CCW refers to carrying a concealed weapon (both lethal and non-lethal...not ONLY firearms) in public in a concealed manner.  again- reading would help."

Yeah, reading would sure help. You should read your own posts. Never once did you mention anything other than firearms, and you explicitly mention firearms only. You recommend a "competency test" "similar to what funtimes teaches". Uh huh. So let's follow your link (http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/services/nra-steps-handgun-training/)(notice the word "handgun" in the link itself) and see what is included:

Course Overview and Course Goals:

Introduction to Pistol Safety, Parts, and Operation
Introduction to Ammunition and the Fundamentals of Pistol Shooting
Introduction to Pistol Shooting
Introduction to Pistol Cleaning, Storage
Training Opportunities

Please tell me where your recommendation for CCW training includes any reference whatsoever, much less training in, much less a determination of competency in even one single form of non-lethal CCW. Where is it "Mr. You'd better learn to read. You freal."?

You are totally disingenuous. You're (literally) unbelievable. You attack other people and make excuses for your own inept and confused arguments, self-contradictory statements and lack of capacity for critical thinking. You either avoid addressing these problems with your claims and assertions or at best you try to weasel-word your way out of them. You provide us with another example of a bible-thumper who has little to no capacity for actual honesty while promoting yourself as one who truly wants to "understand" while following a "spiritual path" in service to some mythological fantasy. I rarely do this, and use this kind of language, but I call bullshit.

you freal? I don’t have to define a type of competency, see definition 1 below.  i would suggest you read a dictionary but we already established you dont know how to read properly. 

Competency is defined as:
1. a combination of practical and theoretical knowledge, cognitive skills, behavior and values used to improve performance; or as the state or quality of being adequately or well qualified, having the ability to perform a specific role
2. the quality of being competent; adequacy; possession of required skill, knowledge, qualification, or capacity
3. the ability to do something successfully or efficiently

I shouldnt have to be more explicit, in the context of the discussion the meaning of my post is already clearly established. 

The topic of discussion in this thread is CCW in Hawaii, - CCW refers to carrying a concealed weapon (both lethal and non-lethal...not ONLY firearms) in public in a concealed manner.  again- reading would help.

The context of the discussion develops with each subsequent post.   (at the time of my post)  the context was “how to subjectively ferret out individuals for CCW (lethal and non-lethal) based on competency”

Context is defined as:
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect

You really have a problem reading and understanding.   You don’t understand the meaning of competency, and you don’t understand context.  I will try to help you understand:


dblnaknak’s statements that some don’t have the maturity or common sense to possess.

HiCarry responds to dblnaknak with a question:  how would you suggest to ferret out the ones who don’t possess the maturity or common sense based on objective criteria INSTEAD of subjective opinions of govt bureaucrats. 

this is my response to HiCarry – I suggest 2 things;  1 passing a competency test, 2 similar to what funtimes teaches.

this is your reply to me- where YOU somehow assume that I said the competency test was a government run agency. 

this is my reply to you, pointing out where you misunderstood, and point out that my quote included the statement about funtimes-  if you weren’t sure about what that meant you shoulda have asked “what does funtimes teach?” 
fyi – HDF teaches a few courses, I have been talking with a few guys and they had great things to say about them.
http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/services/nra-steps-handgun-training/


 
I mention a competency test WRT to CCW, by doing this I am demonstrating that I am open to “other than law enforcement”. 
If you want to recommend being explicit, try taking your own advice.  How have my 156 posts been “CONSTANT” against CCW?  Do make sh!t up.  Your credibility drops when you do. 
 

bubba808, I am an Associate Pastor of New Hope Waimea. Been a Pastor for about 13 years or so. I am NOT the kind of Pastor most people are used to. Kind'a scrappy, straight and to the point. Not because I am any better but I'm not that articulate and not the sharpest knife in the draw. But I love this country. I love my community and I love people. ALL kinds of people. I dont put up with much and I really dont think there is a lot of time before the return of Our Savior, Jesus Christ. I make a lot of mistakes. A lot. So I dont waste my time convincing someone of something I believe to be true. Like the 2nd amendment. I've been in Waimea about 3 years. Been a pain in my supervisors butt all 15 years I've been saved. And then some. Not too smart- but loyal. Not too dumb, but I know the difference. Even if I can not explain it and articulate it. Just so you  know. Oh- and I welcome criticism. I eat it for breakfast with no milk. Hope this helps.