They got shitty cameras 'cuz they're federally insured - Why spend the money if you'll get it all back from Uncle Sam anyway?

Yeah, forgot that they're insured by the bottomless taxpayer wallet.

You'd think the banks would spring for an HD surveillance system. These pictures suck, I've seen pictures from a $1,000 dollar home system that are better.

Either this guy has huge hands or that's a small gun, .380 maybe?

You're right about the trigger discipline Mac. Dude seems to know how.

the guys were a buck-thirty to a buck-fitty
must be a small gun
looks like a pretty big beavertail- EMP?

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The bigger question is would you man up and jump in front of these guys if you were in the bank?

THIS IS IF HAWAII HAD CCW?

I think I would only let it play out, unless MY life it threatened.  I think the civil liability would kill you $$ wise in this crazy state.

I wish they had better cameras.  Those pictures suck.  I tried to clean them up but it still impossible to still see the guns clearly.
Looks like a  380. The rear sight looks rather large

The bigger question is would you man up and jump in front of these guys if you were in the bank?

THIS IS IF HAWAII HAD CCW?

I think I would only let it play out, unless MY life it threatened.  I think the civil liability would kill you $$ wise in this crazy state.

I wish they had better cameras.  Those pictures suck.  I tried to clean them up but it still impossible to still see the guns clearly.
Looks like a  380. The rear sight looks rather large

Depends if I felt that I had the correct training.  We all see the two guys with guns, but what if there was an armed accomplice inside the bank texting them the coast is clear, or even an armed lookout outside the bank watching for the popo?  What if they had both?  Lots to have to consider and size up in a micro second.

Depends if I felt that I had the correct training.  We all see the two guys with guns, but what if there was an armed accomplice inside the bank texting them the coast is clear, or even an armed lookout outside the bank watching for the popo?  What if they had both?  Lots to have to consider and size up in a micro second.

Normally, if 2 people in disguise enter a bank, they aren't too worried about being identified by witnesses.  They will come in, take the money, and leave. 

Starting a gun fight over the bank's money would be a bad decision.  But, if the robbers started shooting tellers and managers for whatever reason, then that's a different story.  I'd definitely consider my options and best courses of action to prevent employees from being injured or killed.  Lots of factors to consider.  First thing is, you can't help anybody else if you're dead.  Have to be smart enough to not simply add another to the body count with no positive results.

One thing to remember:  you are not in control of yourself or the situation.  The robbers are in control.  No matter what you might think you'd do, your options are going to be limited.

I wish the pics were a bit higher res. I know I could pull out better definition.

Crap image in, Crap out!

reimaging.

Red Shooter looks like a hunting rifle? 26-8" barrel?

I wish the pics were a bit higher res. I know I could pull out better definition.

Crap image in, Crap out!

reimaging.

Red Shooter looks like a hunting rifle? 26-8" barrel?

HPD webpage identified the long gun as a shotgun.

On May 13, 2014, at approximately 10:29 a.m., two males entered the bank,
one brandished a shotgun, and the other brandished a handgun. They approached
the teller, demanded money, and fled on foot.

www.honolulupd.org/news/index.php?page=main&story=1306

do all banks have really bad video cameras?  I bet the people in the bank had higher resolution cameras on their phones.

do all banks have really bad video cameras?  I bet the people in the bank had higher resolution cameras on their phones.

Lighting
Distance to subject (wide-area vs. zoom)
age of equipment
number of cameras
resolution
frames per second
how much data can be stored for retrieval
color vs. black & white
locations of cameras relative to subject (above, same level, below)
Trying to capture a still image from video footage -- always hit-or-miss for quality

So many things to consider, not to mention, the cost to purchase, install, maintain, and upgrade closed circuit camera systems. 

In this case, there's not much chance of identifying 2 masked robbers, but it does demonstrate to other would-be criminals a major flaw in the security systems.

If I owned a bank, I'd have 200 cameras installed in plain sight and a few more hidden!  Not all visible cameras would be recording, but the robbers wouldn't know that!

The bigger question is would you man up and jump in front of these guys if you were in the bank?

THIS IS IF HAWAII HAD CCW?

I think I would only let it play out, unless MY life it threatened.  I think the civil liability would kill you $$ wise in this crazy state.

I wish they had better cameras.  Those pictures suck.  I tried to clean them up but it still impossible to still see the guns clearly.
Looks like a  380. The rear sight looks rather large

i would not, they werent there to hurt anyone, just bout the money, garanteed only in and out, aint worth starting a firefight especially 1 ccw vs 2 armed, aint worth starting a gun fight risking innocent people's lives inside the bank just to find out who they were.

The bigger question is would you man up and jump in front of these guys if you were in the bank?

THIS IS IF HAWAII HAD CCW?

I think I would only let it play out, unless MY life it threatened.  I think the civil liability would kill you $$ wise in this crazy state.

I wish they had better cameras.  Those pictures suck.  I tried to clean them up but it still impossible to still see the guns clearly.
Looks like a  380. The rear sight looks rather large

Is it the camera or is that the color red at the slide and under his finger ?

Is it the camera or is that the color red at the slide and under his finger ?

i think it's an artifact of lifting the still from the video

Looks like a shotgun.

Looks like a shotgun.

from the way he is gripping it...is it just me or does it look like it could be a pistol grip?

detectives came by today questioning my neighbors, i spoke with one briefly. 

The following is my personal speculative opinion, there are a lot of "ifs" and "buts" that follow, i obviously do not know the details that the authorities know about the robbery, but based on the surveillance photos and the news:
Without giving away too much info (cuz who knows, they could be reading these forums) the authorities believe that the suspects may have taken refuge in one of the homes here.  Of course this is one of the bases that they are surely required to cover.  My personal speculative opinion, taking into account the suspects' planning and apparent discipline shown in the mere and fuzzy surveillance photos, is that they took advantage of the security of my neighborhood, shielded from the main road of salt lake blvd, and met a get away vehicle in my neighborhood and drove off right after the robbery.  It may just so happened that werent any of my neighbors out to witness them running thru my street and seeing and getting a description of a get-away vehicle.  By now, even IF they took refuge in an accomplice house in my neighborhood (and even this is a long shot) they are long gone out of this neighborhood by now over the night.  This neighborhood was swarming with five-0 yesterday and there are some here today along with the detectives, those suspects would not linger around here.  I was kind of discomforted that there wasnt a patrol car stationed in my neighborhood thru last night, at least not that I seen, its a one way in one way out of my culdesac with a vehicle, and one would have to go thru someone's backyard to get out of here on foot. With their such high suspicions that they may have took refuge in one of these homes why werent any patrols stationed here thru the night?    
I didnt ask the detective many questions and did not divulge my personal opinions on what may or may not have occurred, after all they are the ones who are supposed to ask questions right?  I would rather the cops just do their job the way they do it...but bottom line is that they are not exactly garnering much confidence from me as a concerned citizen of salt lake, being that they are still stuck in my neighborhood, stuck where they were searching all of yesterday.  With every hour that passes it will be tougher to track the bad guys...hopefully someone knows something and would be willing to break silence on the crime.     crimestoppers is offering up to $1000 on info that leads to an arrest.  what does this say about the amount that was taken?

Couple things.  I looked into buying a camera for streaming purposes for a friend and I checked into security cams because they can usually operate without being connected to a comp...well, most security cams are expensive and low res, like, 360 and 480 were common options.  I suspect this is because they are designed to record days of footage at a time and anyone who works with video knows just how much 1080p files will take up in storage.

2, I can't look at the photos on my phone, but, who's to say they are even real guns?  If the photos are as bad as you say? What if they used airsoft guns.  Most people would never know the difference in the bank, and it would be hard to differentiate a quality airsoft gun with a real one from crappy photos

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We need to do it like they do in the Philippines! When I was in Makati in 2009, I saw uniformed guards standing outside of the bank with nickle plated double barrel shotguns.

We need to do it like they do in the Philippines! When I was in Makati in 2009, I saw uniformed guards standing outside of the bank with nickle plated double barrel shotguns.

Not unlike Hong Kong, many of the banks had armed security at the front door and inside as well; even some of the jewelry stores had armed security outside the front doors and inside watching customers. By armed I do not mean pistols on the hip either, these guys had semi-auto maybe full auto rifles at the ready hanging of their chests. Not sure what they had for sure it was a long time ago that I was there.