Can someone explain to me why we are no longer allowed to have night matches at KHSC!

Can someone explain to me why we are no longer allowed to have night matches at KHSC!

 

It's a result of a recent policy change at KHSC. I'll let FunTimes clarify more when/if he feels it is appropriate to do so.

- Alex

Clarification is being drafted; and details will be made available to the public in the relatively near future.

At the most basic level, the city was caught in a position where they were discriminating. This caused the the park supervisor to force a change to KKHSC.  Unfortunately, instead of allowing equal access, they decided to revoke access. There were possibilities for the night shoots to have been appealed, but I don't believe those organizations wanted to do that. I would have.  The denial and revocation of permits must be done in writing.  Even to say that 'no one is there' is the evening organizations should be authorized to pay an attendant fee, as they do with other public facilities that require a person to be present.  However, if we authorize the government to utilize these facilities in public, then the public should have equal access. 

Thanks Funtimes for the summary.  I guess we will have to wait till the clarification you mention is drafted to get the details.  I regret however that the clarification may not contain the reason or event which sparked what appears to be a "sudden" policy change.  As you know I am a newbie to this forum, and I mean no disrespect for my ignorance or inference to those involved, but it seems something must have happened to spark what appears to be a  "knee jerk" reaction by the city.  I am of the understanding that these night matches have been going on for years without incident and with the current decrease of hours for access to the ranges coupled with the increase in firearms enthusists, we really can't afford to lose any aspect of our range.  It does seem strange the organizations did not appeal this decision unless the situation was dire, where perhaps no hope existed or are they waiting for the official document as this decision is as of now been just verbal?  In anycase, and to state the obvious, we will all lose from this in one way or another unless we can understand how something allowed for years is suddenly taken away.  One can only ponder, "what is next to disappear ?"   Thank you 2aHawaii for your forum an oportunity to learn and share ideas for our common interest.   

Thanks Funtimes for the summary.  I guess we will have to wait till the clarification you mention is drafted to get the details.  I regret however that the clarification may not contain the reason or event which sparked what appears to be a "sudden" policy change.  As you know I am a newbie to this forum, and I mean no disrespect for my ignorance or inference to those involved, but it seems something must have happened to spark what appears to be a  "knee jerk" reaction by the city.  I am of the understanding that these night matches have been going on for years without incident and with the current decrease of hours for access to the ranges coupled with the increase in firearms enthusists, we really can't afford to lose any aspect of our range.  It does seem strange the organizations did not appeal this decision unless the situation was dire, where perhaps no hope existed or are they waiting for the official document as this decision is as of now been just verbal?  In anycase, and to state the obvious, we will all lose from this in one way or another unless we can understand how something allowed for years is suddenly taken away.  One can only ponder, "what is next to disappear ?"   Thank you 2aHawaii for your forum an oportunity to learn and share ideas for our common interest.

Once everything comes out -- I don't doubt you will understand what caused this. There is a very detailed explanation in the works (I would say  -- two weeks maybe?)

Everything that is said, is what I wish to disclose; some people may know more than others, but I ask that they keep that to themselves for just a little while longer.

Quote from: HBS1 on May 29, 2011, 12:04:47 AM

Thanks Funtimes for the summary.  I guess we will have to wait till the clarification you mention is drafted to get the details.  I regret however that the clarification may not contain the reason or event which sparked what appears to be a "sudden" policy change.  As you know I am a newbie to this forum, and I mean no disrespect for my ignorance or inference to those involved, but it seems something must have happened to spark what appears to be a  "knee jerk" reaction by the city.  I am of the understanding that these night matches have been going on for years without incident and with the current decrease of hours for access to the ranges coupled with the increase in firearms enthusists, we really can't afford to lose any aspect of our range.  It does seem strange the organizations did not appeal this decision unless the situation was dire, where perhaps no hope existed or are they waiting for the official document as this decision is as of now been just verbal?  In anycase, and to state the obvious, we will all lose from this in one way or another unless we can understand how something allowed for years is suddenly taken away.  One can only ponder, "what is next to disappear ?"   Thank you 2aHawaii for your forum an oportunity to learn and share ideas for our common interest.

Once everything comes out -- I don't doubt you will understand what caused this. There is a very detailed explanation in the works (I would say  -- two weeks maybe?)

Everything that is said, is what I wish to disclose; some people may know more than others, but I ask that they keep that to themselves for just a little while longer.

 

I am not a smart guy, but it sounds like some one or a group of folks identified a major issue WRT to open access to KHSC and drove the park supervisor to react.  I have to agree with HBS1 and we may loose more shooting opportunities in the future.  However, at least we have the opportunity to discuss this in an open forum.  I appreciate the summary as well Funtimes. Thanks and keep fighting the good fight for all of us.

Yeah this was a mishap, and there are always casualties in a fight.  Whenever you fight for things that belong to the public and try and take them back from government it is a rough battle.

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I am not a smart guy, but it sounds like some one or a group of folks identified a major issue WRT to open access to KHSC and drove the park supervisor to react.  I have to agree with HBS1 and we may loose more shooting opportunities in the future.  However, at least we have the opportunity to discuss this in an open forum.  I appreciate the summary as well Funtimes. Thanks and keep fighting the good fight for all of us.

Yeah this was a mishap, and there are always casualties in a fight.  Whenever you fight for things that belong to the public and try and take them back from government it is a rough battle.

 

was it because of a particular gun shop owner on the Windward side?

No -- It was me and the Kokohead range master.

Way to go Hoale Boy!  it looks like there is no place now n this aina to have fun!  if they we no can shoot will i guess we gots to find another place to shot.  why you had to star all this stuff for.  we like it the way it was.  i've shooting here since i was young.  my father and his friends when teach me how.  now i can not.  what i goin tell my little keiki whe he like shoot.

man, mrs baker.  why you gota start all dis commotion.  here in da islands we just relax.  we no like the mainland style.  time and time again foreigners come and mess it all up. 
eh personally my man dan in kaneohe is awesome he should be running this thing.  he get more brains and nuts than you.  and he is local!  brah his shop provides for us locals.  and he give us some good training. 

I no like this place turn into mainland brah!  dis is hawaii not mainland!

i would say aloha, but clearly i don't think this hoale guy understand what "aloha" is!

America. Learn it. Live it. Love it.  I would attempt to explain to you, but I am nearly certain you would have almost no ability to sufficiently comprehend any text that you read on your screen. For those that do possess that ability, however, I will inform anyone that while you can blame me (I don't really mind, people always need someone to blame) that one should look towards the discriminant policies, procedures and practices of the employees and agents of the City and County of Honolulu.

 

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It's spelled haole

Way to go Hoale Boy!  it looks like there is no place now n this aina to have fun!  if they we no can shoot will i guess we gots to find another place to shot.  why you had to star all this stuff for.  we like it the way it was.  i've shooting here since i was young.  my father and his friends when teach me how.  now i can not.  what i goin tell my little keiki whe he like shoot.

man, mrs baker.  why you gota start all dis commotion.  here in da islands we just relax.  we no like the mainland style.  time and time again foreigners come and mess it all up. 
eh personally my man dan in kaneohe is awesome he should be running this thing.  he get more brains and nuts than you.  and he is local!  brah his shop provides for us locals.  and he give us some good training. 

I no like this place turn into mainland brah!  dis is hawaii not mainland!

i would say aloha, but clearly i don't think this hoale guy understand what "aloha" is!

lol. I was wondering when one of these are going to turn up again.  *edit* 

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Very selfish.

- Removed offending comment. -2aH

I hope we can all look past the ignorant name calling and look towards changes in policy. Maybe ones that would grant equal access to night use at the range and opening it up for more groups. This is Hawaii and lots of us grew up where it is tradition to not make waves. But where would that get us? More restrictions. Less freedom. I hope this policy can be corrected in the future.