So are you saying that LEO's should not "openly" carry weapons? Or are you stating the citizens should be able to open carry also? I am sure I know the answer however there is a difference in how we make statements. Just look at what I quoted in my post just above. I am not sure how that users statement is anything but divisive and is far from constructive especially in regards to the second amendment issue. Are there those in LE who are anti? Sure, LE is just another cross section of society, however there are a lot of individuals in LE that are supportive of carry rights.
1. Good guess, assuming you guessed right. Both the U. S. Constitution and the Hawaii state Constitution state that "the people" have "the right" to "keep and bear arms" without that right being "infringed". I believe that would include "citizens". "Bear" makes no sense solely restricted to inside the home. Thus, unless one is traveling directly to or from some kind of gun venue (thought the gun is even then required to be unloaded and in a closed container), a "citizen" is disarmed (not just from firearm carry, but "stun guns", chemical sprays greater than 1/2 oz. content, etc.), UNLESS that "citizen" is also law enforcement. Why? The citizen disarmament movement parrots the phrase "the
only ones who should have guns are cops". Why? Because they are the "ONLY ONES" professional and trained well-enough to deserve to use them for self-defense of their own lives and the lives of others? That's a joke. A very bad joke. Watch this video of a DEA agent demonstrating gun safety to a classroom of children and stating "I'm the ONLY ONE in this room professional enough to carry (a Glock 40)." Within seconds he then shoots himself in the foot. He's the "only one" professional enough? There is nothing in the Constitutions even vaguely indicating that those intended to have the right to keep and bear arms are members of law enforcement, and that they are the ONLY ONES who have such a right.
2. Let me re-phrase robtmc's statement:
"When you get some evidence of most cops being all for us peasants being as well armed as they are
and for us being allowed to carry those weapons in the manner (or even just concealed) and in the places they are, please post it."
Perhaps that wasn't his intent, but I've extended it to the relevant issue of CCW, and carry in general, which is denied to 100% of the citizens of this state who are not law enforcement.
3. There may be "a lot of individuals in LE that are supportive of carry rights.," but the relevant and significant fact is that the people in law enforcement who have a say in who gets to carry in Hawaii (the county chiefs of police) are 100% unanimous in their refusal to issue a CCW license to even
one single person in the entire state (as least as far as any official statistics exist), and the (deliberately?) vague (and seemingly disingenuous) answers I have gotten when communicating about these issues with the Hawaii County Chief. This isn't a "may issue" state, it is a de facto "no issue" state. Why? Because the people in law enforcement whose sworn duty it is to uphold the Constitutions of the United States and Hawaii by allowing people to carry weapons outside the home purposefully violate their oath of office and deny every single applicant. Yeah, they are the "ONLY ONES".