HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING? (Read 13359 times)

Tactical Pretenders

HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« on: August 02, 2011, 02:19:46 AM »
Wow, I saw a post about local residents applying for their CCW.  Does anyone know how successful  it is at the moment? 

Funtimes

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 03:14:35 AM »
Two weeks.
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Tactical Pretenders

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 03:46:43 AM »
Two weeks.

Could you please be more specific? I am not a subject matter expert and your response is a bit to cryptic for me.  If there is a reason you cannot be more specific because of legalese or for any reason but your own I can respect that as well. 
I assume you are an event coordinator who knows about the CCW issues in Hawaii, or you are the primary facilitator with key leaders in the firearms community who support your efforts.  I believe, if it goes in your favor and for the rest of the people of Hawaii, more power to you and your efforts.  It will pay off big dividends if you decided to campaign of its success.  Maybe the establishment of CCW in Hawaii would open the doors for charging citizens for training and processing of CCW applications in order to adhere to Hawaii laws for CCW.  We have so many CCW instructors who have profited off of CCW training in the mainland.  However, if it goes south, then I assume you will keep trying to push the rock up the hill despite your feelings that the people in Hawaii do not fight for their CCW rights.  If you know something that we do not know about once again I understand why you are being particular in your response.   Good luck and we wish nothing but success in the process, because it’s a win-win for those who are actively participating in the process to get CCW in Hawaii and that is based on all the reflection we have seen on this particular website.

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 12:36:36 PM »
Check out this link:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/Hawaiiccw/?ap=1.  it's also in Funtimes signature area. He's the guy for the Hawaii Concealed Carry Movement.

Tactical Pretenders

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 03:15:33 AM »
ONFLOAT - Per your help, I checked out the Face book and webpage site for CCW Hawaii.  It’s well designed!  The designer has a lot of passion to push 2A issues for the great state of Hawaii.  However, what really caught my eye was the lack of comments under each of the displayed topics.  It probably does not mean anything, but maybe folks are just not up to speed with what the author is trying to portray in his targeted audience.  I also noticed they are offering training for first time gun owners.  I wonder if they are in completion with other organization.   I have found others who do almost the exact same thing.  I think the nonprofit organization is called LIFE:  http://lifehawaii.com/LIFE/Handgun.html .  Another program is sponsored by OGC Tactical.  The last one I know of is run by Gun Source.
When I spoke to Tony at Gun Source, they charge 125.00 American and you had to buy ammo from him, and you needed to bring your personal Protective Equipment (PPE) = eyes and ears.  With all of these organizations I wonder why they do not just work together because it seems like they all have to use the same range.  I do not know if CCW Hawaii charges for the instruction, but LIFE charges 120.00 American and provides ammo and guns to use.   I believe OGC charges 125.00 American and you get 25.00 American cash back on a pistol.  Maybe the costs are for worksheets, processing paper work, paying for ammo, using weapons, and etc.  However once again, when we took this similar course in Missouri, it was free, but that was 6 years ago.  Maybe it’s the cost of living that is driving the cost.  I am really confused because LIFE is a nonprofit organization.  Maybe different rules apply to a nonprofit.  I need to do more research since I am considering moving to Hawaii and I want to ensure I am getting the most bang for my bucks.   I also heard that military folks can use a memorandum from our TA/CO to get a firearms permit.  I’ll do more research.
Unfortunately, I wonder what kind of profit is being made with first time gun owners.  This is my opinion and if I meet anyone who has been stationed in Hawaii I’ll ask about it.  Beyond that it would tough to choose which one to go to but I wonder how they utilize the range to accomplish their task.  Once again it’s like the old argument of not having any facilities to train.  We once used the old housing that was scheduled for demolition near Fort Shafter Flats to practice CQB work.  There is a CQB facility on the island, but we could not use it since another unit had it scheduled.
I have gone way off target, so let me get back on track.  I saw some pictures at the bottom of the CCW Hawaii website were the participants were on a static range in the desert.  One of my team mates caught me looking at the picture and he asked me if one of the shooters looked like a man or woman.  I was dumfounded by his discovery.  I will let you all figure it out because I started to question the individual’s sex as well.  I apologize to whoever it is but please so not take it the wrong way.  We got a good laugh, but when you are gone on deployments, the simplest things become funny.  Once again it was like looking at PAT, SNL character, only skinnier who was holding an M4 with a MAGPUL CTR Stock.  It just makes me laugh how many times folks want to emulate real world “Operators”.  Dress up is fine, and there are a lot of fake action guys (FAGs) out there, but when you get pushed in a corner, all you have is your highest level of training to default to.  It is what it is folks.  Imitation is the best form of flattery.

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 09:30:53 AM »
.................Dress up is fine, and there are a lot of fake action guys (FAGs) out there.............................

Oh dear...........ha ha ha ha ha

Funtimes

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 11:17:47 AM »
Yeah your certainly going down the wrong path there Tactical pretender. The guys at Advanced Tactics and Countermeasures have more then enough resume to back up everything they do.   They provided four days of training to a group of people from Hawaii and California for free. Why, because he liked what we are doing for pushing CCW. 

 Additionally, no one runs courses for 'free" on a large scale program -- they would need grants, donations, or some sort of government funding.  Stuff just doesn't appear out of thin air to produce instructors, materials, food, water, notary services for your affidavit, ammunition, guns and NRA Packets.  I run the training at the Hawaii Defense Foundation; I also run Hawaiiccw.com.

Id be interested to know which photo you are talking about with the M-4. However, watch the personal attacks on people who have - paid their dues, contribute to your salaries, do a shit ton of work to get you and your firearm rights up to par. 
« Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 04:16:44 PM by Funtimes »
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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 03:14:33 PM »
 :popcorn:

Waiting for the response that's badly veiled and hoped to pass as genuine surprise of why anyone would take what he said as insulting; as if the reader is the unreasonable one.

Your writing is pretty easy to see through, btw. It's not as crafty as you might like to think. Just saying.

"Ghost Stories"? lol.  :rofl:

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 03:53:52 PM »
Fake Action Guy (FAG) Priceless!  I gotta use that one.  :thumbsup:
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HiCarry

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 10:32:00 AM »
Tactical Pretender - The term is "not-for-profit" and indeed LIFE is a not-for-profit. As Funtimes mentioned, there are costs associated with putting on these classes and the price LIFE charges are meant to recoup those costs so we can continue offering this community services. All of our instructors are volunteers who devote a significant portion of their time to promoting safe firearms use and bringing new shooters into the shooting community.

One of your comments caught my eye:

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It just makes me laugh how many times folks want to emulate real world “Operators”.  Dress up is fine, and there are a lot of fake action guys (FAGs) out there, but when you get pushed in a corner, all you have is your highest level of training to default to.  It is what it is folks.  Imitation is the best form of flattery.

Why is it that many of you real "operators" are so demeaning of anyone who would choose to practice with their firearms in the manner you seem to criticize? Sure, there are some wanna be mall ninjas out there, but why are regular folks who want to develope their skill with firearms all "pretenders" or "fake action guys?" If one realizes that one is likely to default to their highest level of training why is it a bad thing to try to get more training and raise your proficiency level. Many folks, including myself, realize that to maximize our chances of survival if we were ever in a SHTF situation, we need the practice. Isn't that responible gun ownership and a prudent goal to aspire to? We don't want to be "operators" we just want to be as well prepared as possible to protect ourselves and our loved ones if we need to. You got a problem with that? 
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 03:04:05 PM by HiCarry »

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 10:45:01 AM »
oh-boy! :)

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 09:03:19 PM »


Tactical Pretender?

I think he's missing a few accessories...  :crazy:

Jaydawg

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
I wanna be like James Bond, but I hate trudging in my Versace suit and messing up my Ferragamos.   :shaka:

Tactical Pretenders

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 09:33:44 PM »
Yeah your certainly going down the wrong path there Tactical pretender. The guys at Advanced Tactics and Countermeasures have more then enough resume to back up everything they do.   They provided four days of training to a group of people from Hawaii and California for free. Why, because he liked what we are doing for pushing CCW. 

 Additionally, no one runs courses for 'free" on a large scale program -- they would need grants, donations, or some sort of government funding.  Stuff just doesn't appear out of thin air to produce instructors, materials, food, water, notary services for your affidavit, ammunition, guns and NRA Packets.  I run the training at the Hawaii Defense Foundation; I also run Hawaiiccw.com.

Id be interested to know which photo you are talking about with the M-4. However, watch the personal attacks on people who have - paid their dues, contribute to your salaries, do a shit ton of work to get you and your firearm rights up to par.
Okay got it high speed.  Look have you taken a life?  And do not add self defense because it is a touchy way of saying I shot another human being because I was threatened.  Make sure you piss your pants and cry  so you look like the victim, seriously.  Perceptions reality!   Dude, I am no lawyer but you counter violence with more violence before it happens to you or YOU AVOID IT AT ALL COST like listening to your instincts.  We have replaced our instinct by going to the gun for the most part IMO.  Do you incorporate deescalation of force in your training package.  That's what frustrates me.   BTW, I am not Ghost Stories.  I do suck at writing, but it is what it is.  Check the IP if you have the capability. 

Check this out, will you be a witness if one of your students, uses their weapon in self defense.  Will you put your credibility on the line for another firearms enthusiast?  Seriously, you train to go your gun all the time then that becomes muscle memory and the standard.  I do not have time to appeal to your sense of chivalry but I get tired of people who think their bang bang is the first option and it becomes the only thing they focus on because they feel empowered.  Conditioning your self enough and it becomes your first response. 

Have you tried to support your local law enforcement by volunteering to serve as Reserve Officer.  I would think they are allowed to carry.  I do not know the HPD's status.  Furthermore, have you worked with LEOs, because I noticed you attempted to rally your followers to stop going to a shop called Security or something because they did not support your cause.  Who the heck are you to do that and not be able to take a couple of jabs.  It just sounds weak.  From what I gather, a lot of LEOs frequent that shop according to some post on this site.  I also saw you took out a shooting event from another club,  claiming it was a casualty of war, and now you are using one of the Action Bays at KHSC.  Something is not right dude. 

Yah you got my firearms rights.  I am not in your state buddy boy and I am not in the US at the moment.  Any way, you are probably going to add to this so rock on.  I am out so say what you want, because dangerous men do dangerous things so you can sleep safely at night and that is the bottom line.  I am out slaying bad guys and If I do not come back oh well it was good.

So seriously train your folks to understand that the pistol/rifle/knife/etc is the final option, and be prepared to loose everything except your life.  You find out who your real friends are after the shooting. Oh yeah before I punch out for good, it was a Marine that called that dude an "IT"  not me, but I guess somebody is offend.  Our Marine brother though that person was in the Navy.  You are right I should have kept all this under the water.  Take care and no hard feelings Dude.  Most of us have low frustration tolerance anyways.   If I  go, at least let it be on good terms.

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Tactical Pretenders

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 09:43:29 PM »


Tactical Pretender?

I think he's missing a few accessories...  :crazy:

Hell yeah baby...bring ti!

Nice one.  I like the fat tactical kid myself and the BW Motivational saying how AWESOME he is!

Too Cool Hawaii!

I am out!

Tactical Pretenders

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 09:45:01 PM »
I wanna be like James Bond, but I hate trudging in my Versace suit and messing up my Ferragamos.   :shaka:

I tapped his girlfriend and it was.......................................................alotavgina!

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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 10:45:27 PM »
Okay got it high speed.  Look have you taken a life?  And do not add self defense because it is a touchy way of saying I shot another human being because I was threatened.  Make sure you piss your pants and cry  so you look like the victim, seriously.  Perceptions reality!  Dude, I am no lawyer but you counter violence with more violence before it happens to you or YOU AVOID IT AT ALL COST like listening to your instincts.  We have replaced our instinct by going to the gun for the most part IMO.  Do you incorporate deescalation of force in your training package.  That's what frustrates me.   BTW, I am not Ghost Stories.  I do suck at writing, but it is what it is.  Check the IP if you have the capability. 
I don't really understand what point you're trying to make with the bolded portion; especially in light of the paragraphs that follow.  You state that the options are either a)preempt the other guy's use of force or b)avoid it at all costs, then go on to rail against those who train to shoot. 

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Check this out, will you be a witness if one of your students, uses their weapon in self defense.  Will you put your credibility on the line for another firearms enthusiast?  Seriously, you train to go your gun all the time then that becomes muscle memory and the standard.  I do not have time to appeal to your sense of chivalry but I get tired of people who think their bang bang is the first option and it becomes the only thing they focus on because they feel empowered.  Conditioning your self enough and it becomes your first response. 
Training to use your firearm if you need to is the area that people need to work on.  Using fine motor skills while under stress is not something humans are disposed to naturally, therefore, it requires training.  People don't need training on how to deal with assholes, we get that every day.  What I'm trying to say is that simply because a course focuses on using a firearm, doesn't mean that the students are going to go home with their natural startle reaction replaced with DRAWPOINTBANGBANGBANG!  I haven't taken any of the courses in question, so I can't say for sure, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they don't advocate waking up at the sound of every bump in the night and responding by firing wildly at shadows.

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Have you tried to support your local law enforcement by volunteering to serve as Reserve Officer.  I would think they are allowed to carry.  I do not know the HPD's status. <snip>
So we should have to be Lil' Sherriffs to carry?  All kidding aside, this is just a roundabout (and well-worn) argument for gun control.  Basically, you're saying that it's perfectly natural for the privileged elite to be the only ones who get to carry firearms, so if we want to do the same, we'd better join the elite.  Would your suggestion be the same if politicians, LEO's, and military were the only ones allowed to vote, or practice freedom of religion, or freedom of speech? 

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I am out so say what you want, because dangerous men do dangerous things so you can sleep safely at night and that is the bottom line.  I am out slaying bad guys and If I do not come back oh well it was good.
Oh, put it away.  You're the big bad boogey man, thankyouthankyouthankyou!  Your selfless heroism and disregard for your own life on an internet forum is an inspiration to us all.

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Oh yeah before I punch out for good, it was a Marine that called that dude an "IT"  not me, but I guess somebody is offend.  Our Marine brother though that person was in the Navy.  You are right I should have kept all this under the water. 
It may have been the Marine who said it, but it was you who recounted the story.  By your logic, no one should ever be offended by a racist or dirty joke, as long as the person telling the joke didn't make it up themself.  "It wasn't ME who made that up, but I guess somebody is offended."  Come on.  I'm surprised that you still tried to play it off as somebody being overly sensitive in light of Dregs' prediction re: "Waiting for the response that's badly veiled and hoped to pass as genuine surprise of why anyone would take what he said as insulting; as if the reader is the unreasonable one."
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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2011, 11:07:49 PM »


Tactical Pretender?

I think he's missing a few accessories...  :crazy:

And you wonder why the DoD is looking at exoskeleton technology for the troops.

Lots of thin-skinned folks here. 

Too bad.  I was hoping the clique mentality would be left at the door.   Oh well...

pj_benn

Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 09:00:36 AM »
<something not nice to say>
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Re: HOW IS THE INITIATIVE FOR HAWAII CCW GOING?
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 09:44:19 AM »
Okay, let's curb the name calling and personal attacks here. I think this thread has run its course and I look forward to more news from Funtimes on the Hawaii CCW progress.
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