Is it legal to store your guns at a different address than the ones you registered them to? Say a friends house for a few weeks or something along those lines.

no problems for any  long longs, 

Pistols are the same as storing NFA at a different address. As long a you are the only one with access / control of the firearm.


 

Awesome, thank you.

I wonder if a self storage place would be acceptable then.

I wonder if a self storage place would be acceptable then.

Have you ever used a self-storage unit?  No matter how many security measures the company installs, they are not secure enough, in my opinion, for anything of high value -- in particular firearms.  Even if you use a safe in the unit, you can't bolt it down to prevent someone from wheeling it out.

As long as there are no restrictions in your contract or any container laws making it illegal, storage companies normally don't prohibit firearms in their units.

If you ever stop paying the rent, the unit can be auctioned off.  The subsequent unit buyer should be smart enough to turn in any firearms they find there.  Of course, not everyone follows the law.  The guns could find their way to a crime scene and then back to you as the registered owner.

So, to directly answer the question, it all depends on how much of these risks are "acceptable" to the individual gun owner.

I wonder if a self storage place would be acceptable then.

I wondered the same thing I looked in the HRS and to me it could go either way. It is a place that you are renting/leasing. I did it anyway for a few months but I was very discrete about it.

Have you ever used a self-storage unit?  No matter how many security measures the company installs, they are not secure enough, in my opinion, for anything of high value -- in particular firearms.  Even if you use a safe in the unit, you can't bolt it down to prevent someone from wheeling it out.

As long as there are no restrictions in your contract or any container laws making it illegal, storage companies normally don't prohibit firearms in their units.

If you ever stop paying the rent, the unit can be auctioned off.  The subsequent unit buyer should be smart enough to turn in any firearms they find there.  Of course, not everyone follows the law.  The guns could find their way to a crime scene and then back to you as the registered owner.

So, to directly answer the question, it all depends on how much of these risks are "acceptable" to the individual gun owner.

The place I rented had more security than my home at that I had just sold so to me it was acceptable to me. The complex was fenced/gated there was night security and cameras, there were multiple layers of security. 1) coded gate access. 2) coded building access. 3) locked unit with individual alarm. 4) locked storage containers in unit. 5) trigger locks on handguns. 6) climate controlled

I wondered the same thing I looked in the HRS and to me it could go either way. It is a place that you are renting/leasing. I did it anyway for a few months but I was very discrete about it.

The place I rented had more security than my home at that I had just sold so to me it was acceptable to me. The complex was fenced/gated there was night security and cameras, there were multiple layers of security. 1) coded gate access. 2) coded building access. 3) locked unit with individual alarm. 4) locked storage containers in unit. 5) trigger locks on handguns.

If anyone is interested in more security at home, or at an undisclosed location  , the Liberty Safe company markets a safe monitoring device from SafElert.  I have one in my long gun safe.  All you need is access to WiFi.  If you have a local ISP account, like roadrunner, there are hotspots all over the island if your storage location is not at the house.  If you can't get WiFi access any other way,  I'm sure a cell-based mobile hotspot device would be affordable and reliable.  You wouldn't need very much of a data plan with the small amount of information this thing sends and receives.

Mine alerts me via text to my phone and email whenever the door is opened or closed and if there is motion detected.  It reports temperature and humidity if either exceeds the limits you configure.  It also reports Internet outages once it comes back online.  That's good for indicating low battery, or the need to attach the included optional antenna.   Runs on 2 x AA batteries.  Size of the device is smaller than a pack of cigarettes.

Every Monday, I get a status report with all the current readings as well as battery strength.

I've used mine for just short of a year.  I did have to exchange the first unit I received because it would not power up, but Dean's Safe Co. was quick to correct the problem.  The replacement has been working fine.  There used to be a monthly monitoring fee which is now included with the purchase price.

At $200, it's not a super-cheap price, but well worth the additional piece of mind.  It's not eligible for Amazon Prime free shipping, but the listed shipping price is less than $5 which included Hawaii when I ordered mine.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00HDX0NR2/?tag=2ahawaii-20

I worked at a self-storage place before.  It was written in the contracts that no firearms were permitted.  And we did auction off lockers with firearms in them, we didn't know about it at the time of the auction but found out when angry owners would contact us.  Storage lockers do get broken into, even with security measures.  It's usually another customer that sneaks around cutting locks and know how to get by security, though they usually go to lockers they have seen or know has expensive stuff in it.  Many newer storage places do have better security than the average house and overall you probably have a low risk with self storage units as long as you're discreet and people don't see/know you're putting expensive stuff in there.

Have you ever used a self-storage unit?  No matter how many security measures the company installs, they are not secure enough, in my opinion, for anything of high value -- in particular firearms.  Even if you use a safe in the unit, you can't bolt it down to prevent someone from wheeling it out.

As long as there are no restrictions in your contract or any container laws making it illegal, storage companies normally don't prohibit firearms in their units.

If you ever stop paying the rent, the unit can be auctioned off.  The subsequent unit buyer should be smart enough to turn in any firearms they find there.  Of course, not everyone follows the law.  The guns could find their way to a crime scene and then back to you as the registered owner.

So, to directly answer the question, it all depends on how much of these risks are "acceptable" to the individual gun owner.

A while back, we took in a friend for half a year.  We rented a storage locker to make room for her, and she handled that cost.  The contract there did say no firearms, and there was language about flammable goods that could have been interpreted to mean no ammunition.  I debated ignoring the language, as the risk of getting caught seemed negligible and the consequences insignificant, but in the end decided i didn't like being 15 minutes away from my babies. 

However, as has been noted, the security of that place really was superior to the security of my house.  Plus, it was climate controlled!  I spent a lot of time, and still do, thinking about making one of those into a "gun room."  Obviously I'd keep my SD and frequently-used guns at home, but a walk-in, air-conditioned gun closet would be SO cherry!  I'd be able to start growing my collection again, triple or quadruple my stockpile of ammo, and stop stubbing my toe on cases of shotgun shells that almost fit under the bed. 

I would be perfectly happy to build a cage inside the unit to up security.  Maybe even a cleaning station.  Hell, sounds like a good place for a reloading bench!

But, as I mentioned, the one closest to our house has (or had) a no firearms policy.  I'm certainly not willing to drive more than 15 minutes for this!

A while back, we took in a friend for half a year.  We rented a storage locker to make room for her, and she handled that cost.  The contract there did say no firearms, and there was language about flammable goods that could have been interpreted to mean no ammunition.  I debated ignoring the language, as the risk of getting caught seemed negligible and the consequences insignificant, but in the end decided i didn't like being 15 minutes away from my babies. 

However, as has been noted, the security of that place really was superior to the security of my house.  Plus, it was climate controlled!  I spent a lot of time, and still do, thinking about making one of those into a "gun room."  Obviously I'd keep my SD and frequently-used guns at home, but a walk-in, air-conditioned gun closet would be SO cherry!  I'd be able to start growing my collection again, triple or quadruple my stockpile of ammo, and stop stubbing my toe on cases of shotgun shells that almost fit under the bed. 

I would be perfectly happy to build a cage inside the unit to up security.  Maybe even a cleaning station.  Hell, sounds like a good place for a reloading bench!

But, as I mentioned, the one closest to our house has (or had) a no firearms policy.  I'm certainly not willing to drive more than 15 minutes for this!

What you are describing is similar to Shooting Solutions Hawaii what Devin had in Kapolei his storefront was a storage unit.

I've been to a number of self storage facilities and they all had the same problem when I inspected the units.  While suitable for what was going to be stored in them, I wouldn't store anything of high value in them without bomb-proof secondary storage.

Maybe all of them aren't like what I've seen but when you go to inspect a possible unit, make sure you enter the unit and look up.

no problems for any  long longs, 

Pistols are the same as storing NFA at a different address. As long a you are the only one with access / control of the firearm.

Please take note that the transport law doesn't allow you take guns to your friends house (or an airport, camping per DLNR, UPS by the airport or any other shipping facility for that matter).

A while back, we took in a friend for half a year.  We rented a storage locker to make room for her, and she handled that cost.  The contract there did say no firearms, and there was language about flammable goods that could have been interpreted to mean no ammunition.  I debated ignoring the language, as the risk of getting caught seemed negligible and the consequences insignificant, but in the end decided i didn't like being 15 minutes away from my babies. 

However, as has been noted, the security of that place really was superior to the security of my house.  Plus, it was climate controlled!  I spent a lot of time, and still do, thinking about making one of those into a "gun room."  Obviously I'd keep my SD and frequently-used guns at home, but a walk-in, air-conditioned gun closet would be SO cherry!  I'd be able to start growing my collection again, triple or quadruple my stockpile of ammo, and stop stubbing my toe on cases of shotgun shells that almost fit under the bed. 

I would be perfectly happy to build a cage inside the unit to up security.  Maybe even a cleaning station.  Hell, sounds like a good place for a reloading bench!

But, as I mentioned, the one closest to our house has (or had) a no firearms policy.  I'm certainly not willing to drive more than 15 minutes for this!

I actually talked to Hawaii self storage a while back about running classes out of their units lol.   They were going to let me, but then we moved and I decided to go with the home teaching solution.  Biggest problem I couldn't get HPD to register the guns in HDF's name, so it kind of took a swing back at my ability to expand.

Please take note that the transport law doesn't allow you take guns to your friends house (or an airport, camping per DLNR, UPS by the airport or any other shipping facility for that matter).

How's that?

How's that?

The law as written does not include other places.


Place of business, or sojourn or :

    (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

 

The law as written does not include other places.


Place of business, or sojourn or :

    (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

No one but a mentally deranged gun nut would ever want to take a firearm anywhere but those listed places (in a closed container by the way), so what's the problem? 

Slightly off topic but I think the biggest gray area in the transporting of firearms between those specified locations. If you park somewhere not directly at one of these locations and you have to walk the gun there then you are technically in violation of place to keep. Or even if you walked to the range with your gun! But nothing in the HRS says you have to own a car in order to own a gun.

Slightly off topic but I think the biggest gray area in the transporting of firearms between those specified locations. If you park somewhere not directly at one of these locations and you have to walk the gun there then you are technically in violation of place to keep. Or even if you walked to the range with your gun! But nothing in the HRS says you have to own a car in order to own a gun.

It's being transported inbetween, not sure what you mean.  You could walk to the range with your gun - going to want to case it up though.   What's not "allowed" is the stops in between.

Between means from point A to point B.  It should have had some "intermittent" stop language similar to FOPA, which would then allow for gas, food, changing the baby, using bathrooms etc.

How about riding your bike to the range? Does that mean you cannot stop to rest? Or how about talking the bus?

Looking at the rules looks like you can carry your gun on a bus to a range.

http://www.thebus.org/howtoride/RulesReg.asp

Do not carry any flammable, explosive, corrosive or highly toxic liquids or gases on board TheBus.

http://www.thebus.org/howtoride/ProhibitedOnTheBus.pdf

I'm pretty sure gunpowder is not a liquid or a gas so looks like bullets are okay as well.

Also if your friend can fix your gun (install sights, etc.) wouldn't that be a place of repair? Or do you have to be a licensed gunsmith (if there is such a thing)

How do I get to a shooting range with my rifle if I don't have a car?

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7093.msg67461#msg67461

Firearm transportation without a car?

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=1431.msg10036#msg10036