12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen (Read 22805 times)

Lockin

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 09:54:23 AM »
Majority of police in france carry sig's. Only the small village cops go unarmed.

dustoff003

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 10:05:14 AM »

Majority of police in france carry sig's. Only the small village cops go unarmed.
also on Parisian streets and in the metro it is not uncommon to see 2-6 person Gendarmerie teams on patrol armed in tactical kit.

Drakiir84

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2015, 10:59:11 AM »
Majority of police in france carry sig's. Only the small village cops go unarmed.

But this incident took place in the heart of Paris, not a small village, so where were their guns?  I was under the impression that only their response units carry weapons, not the cops walking the streets.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

s197

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 11:17:31 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/07/shooting-reported-at-office-satirical-french-newspaper/

reports says also used RPG's in attack

get ready.
I haven't seen any reports on RPGs, has this ever been confirmed?

Jl808

12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2015, 11:23:35 AM »
Conquest of Europe? No chance.

I meant conquest through immigration. Afterwards they turn the place into ghettos ruled by sharia law.
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Jl808

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2015, 11:24:06 AM »

I haven't seen any reports on RPGs, has this ever been confirmed?

Good question. Curious to know if this is confirmed as well.
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Drakiir84

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2015, 11:24:23 AM »
I meant conquest through immigration. Afterwards they turn the place to ghettos ruled by sharia law.

They've already done that in France.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

Lockin

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2015, 11:33:12 AM »
Not sure of the details of the first responders. But i did a quick google. There are 2 main police in france. The municipal (unarmed) which number 18000 and the the nationale/Gendarmerie 145000 (armed). When i worked in paris cbd most police i saw carried side arms and it wasnt uncommon to see some with sub machine guns. Regardless i wouldnt want to have a gun fight against guys with ak's and rpg carrying a 9mm.

mauidog

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

stangzilla

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
I haven't seen any reports on RPGs, has this ever been confirmed?

I haven't seen or heard anything either
I was just repeating what the article said
but the video i didn't see any RPG, nor did i hear any automatic weapons like they said either.

causa mortis

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2015, 01:07:07 PM »
To those saying 'Oh, they poked the hornets nest...", you're basically saying you're in favor of a Heckler's Veto with real violence accompanying it. Absolutely pathetic.

Civilized peoples use words and philosophical discussions to agree/disagree. Those that kill in lieu of dialogue are throwbacks, and those that give them an out by giving some sort of justification are quislings.

Drakiir84

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2015, 02:44:19 PM »
To those saying 'Oh, they poked the hornets nest...", you're basically saying you're in favor of a Heckler's Veto with real violence accompanying it. Absolutely pathetic.

Civilized peoples use words and philosophical discussions to agree/disagree. Those that kill in lieu of dialogue are throwbacks, and those that give them an out by giving some sort of justification are quislings.

Absolutely.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2015, 02:56:56 PM »
To those saying 'Oh, they poked the hornets nest...", you're basically saying you're in favor of a Heckler's Veto with real violence accompanying it. Absolutely pathetic.

Civilized peoples use words and philosophical discussions to agree/disagree. Those that kill in lieu of dialogue are throwbacks, and those that give them an out by giving some sort of justification are quislings.

Okay, after looking up "Heckler's Veto", it made more sense!   :thumbsup:

That is the same as in the old Cosby comedy monologue:  the youngest child is pulling on a toy screaming "Mine!  Mine!"  The older child is holding on saying, "No.  This is mine!  Your toys are over there!"

The parent comes into the room and gives the toy to the younger child just to stop the noise!  Parents are not interested in justice ... they want quiet!!

When you reward bad behavior preemptively, you have basically told the people who don't behave that way, "If you want something for yourself, the easiest way is to be so obnoxious/destructive/violent, that we acquiesce to your wishes in order to maintain the peace."

This is why we should never negotiate with terrorists.  When you reward violent behavior, you get more of it.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

aieahound

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2015, 03:30:54 PM »
They absolutely did poke the hornets nest. anyone who thinks they didn't is naive.

They should have made sure they had wasp spray. (although they did have 2 cops who got killed )

you think we're dealing with civilized people.  read the news once in while.

we're dealing with fanatics.  :shake:

I'm not saying they deserved to die or that it's not atrocious what these guys did, but it was anticipated based on what this paper was printing.

Play with fire, you better be ready to fight fire.

did you guys see the bachi last cartoon the editor printed. eary

Prayers for those were killed and may they find and kill the fanatical perps


ren

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2015, 03:49:08 PM »
A lot of you disagree with me and that's fine - I respect your opinions. With that in mind, let's keep this discussion on this board. Don't confront me at the range or anywhere else about heated topics such as this.
Again, I'm not vouching for these terrorists actions at all nor do I advocate about tailoring to their hurt feelings and ill-conceived compassionate pleas etc. They deserved to be hunted down and dealt with swiftly. I don't condone violence in response to the media's opinions, cartoons, editorials etc.; there's no place for that in a civilized society as many of you pointed out.
Here's some images that they drew.






The editor was warned of the possible consequences but he stood by his words. “I prefer to die standing than to live on my knees,” Charbonnier said two years ago to explain why he planned to continue to ignore the threats aimed at him and his publication. In light of this, had France been more empowering of their citizens such as this i.e. giving them a means to arm themselves, the editor would have had a chance to defend himself. If I was the editor and stood by those words, I definitely would have an armory at home and at work.

This whole thing is a tragedy and was conducted by extremists with no place in civilized society.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2015, 03:58:11 PM by ren »
Deeds Not Words

mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2015, 07:30:31 PM »
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

stangzilla

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2015, 07:23:12 AM »
the 2 gunmen killed
1 newer gunman killed


with our country weakening our borders
gutting our military abroad and nationally
and liberals wanting to disarm its citizens
what kind of leadership is this?   :(

Bota-CS1

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2015, 04:51:46 PM »
If you want to see what justice looks like fast forward to 0:42

http://www.breachbangclear.com/terrorist-smoked-assault-porte-de-vincennes/
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Kingkeoni

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2015, 06:16:07 PM »
the 2 gunmen killed
1 newer gunman killed


with our country weakening our borders
gutting our military abroad and nationally
and liberals wanting to disarm its citizens
what kind of leadership is this?   :(

 ???


This is great news to me.

Commit an act of terrorism, get killed.  :closed:
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stangzilla

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2015, 07:31:39 AM »
Sorry, I was getting off the subject with my last post.
you are right, dead terrorists is great news.

???


This is great news to me.

Commit an act of terrorism, get killed.  :closed: