LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS (Read 7144 times)

mauidog

LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« on: October 27, 2015, 04:42:52 PM »
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Amid complaints Congress is failing to address gun safety, Los Angeles city leaders backed a sweeping new ordinance
Tuesday requiring local handgun owners to safely lock up their weapons or face misdemeanor charges.

The proposed law, set to be one of the strictest in the California, follows a national trend of children and teens accessing
unattended handguns with sometimes fatal results, said Los Angeles City Councilman Paul Krekorian, who spearheaded the
ordinance.

“It will help protect children,” Krekorian said of the law. “It will help prevent momentary instances of anguish from becoming
tragic suicides.”

Under the ordinance, which returns next week to the council for a vote, gun owners must store their firearms in a locked
container or disable them with a trigger lock. Guns don’t have to be stored if the weapon is carried or “within close proximity
and control that the owner can readily retrieve and use the handgun as if carried on the person.”


Lawmakers and city attorneys worked on the wording up until Tuesday’s City Council vote after pushback from gun advocacy
groups and several City Council members, who sought the additional word “control” in the law. Critics feared that without
that phrase, gun owners could leave their weapon on a bedside table, for instance, and fall asleep.

With the final law, gun owners are responsible for their weapon, advocates believe.

“We have a safe gun storage law that we can be proud of,” said Margot Bennett, executive director of Los Angeles-based
Women Against Gun Violence.

Bennett said her group isn’t concerned the law only applies to handguns, saying so-called “long guns” aren’t as much of
an issue.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/government-and-politics/20150804/new-handgun-storage-rules-backed-by-los-angeles-lawmakers
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 05:18:14 PM »
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June 26, 2008, 01:24 pm
Court: Trigger Lock Requirement Also Unconstitutional


In the Supreme Court's decision against D.C.'s handgun ban today, the court also ruled that trigger-lock requirements are unconstitutional.
"The requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use
arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the opinion of the court.

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

suka

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 05:23:13 PM »
The same law has been in Hawaii since 1992;


HRS 134-10.5

No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

      (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

     (2)  Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

Q

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 05:46:48 PM »
In all honest, there is nothing wrong with properly storing your firearms.

People are going to come out of left field, crying about how it all boils down to education and instilling gun safety, but lets be real people: there are some dumb ass kids out there; even some dumb ass adults.

I have a friend who served with 1st group and is now an instructor in the mainland, and when I asked him why he locks up his firearms, he said it was simple: his son is a dumbass, and dumbasses tend to congregate with other dumbasses, some more dumbass-ish than the other dumbasses. He didn't want to take the chance of leaving his firearms around and his kid or another kid hurting themselves or others for being...well...dumbasses.

« Last Edit: October 27, 2015, 06:45:14 PM by Q »

eyeeatingfish

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 06:12:24 PM »
I like Hawaii's version because it does not burden people who do not have minors around. This is kind of like a seat belt law for minors essentially, if there is a kid they have to be buckled in or the parents are responsible.. Quick access safes ensure that a ready to go firearm can be stored safely and accessed quickly.

whynow?

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 10:14:05 PM »
The same law has been in Hawaii since 1992;


HRS 134-10.5

No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

      (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

Now if only Hawaii politicians would apply that thinking to candidates for POTUS especially if they wear pantsuits and handle our nation's classified information.

michaelkih

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 01:32:35 PM »
Unconstitutional law that should not be followed.  For self protection a gun must be readily available to use. Education people.  That's where the problem lies.  We don't punish everyone for a few dumb people.  That's how we have gotten all of these BS gun laws and other laws to begin with.

Mike

Colt808

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 04:28:14 AM »
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June 26, 2008, 01:24 pm
Court: Trigger Lock Requirement Also Unconstitutional

In the Supreme Court's decision against D.C.'s handgun ban today, the court also ruled that trigger-lock requirements are unconstitutional.
"The requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use
arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the opinion of the court.
What you've quoted above refers the D.C. Firearms Control Regulations Act "Home Rule" that required a firearm within ones residence be kept "un-loaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger-locking device". Which was basically banning possession of an operable firearm within ones home.

BUT when one reads the entire section of the ruling, the issue was not about storage, but how rendering a firearm inoperable infringes on ones right to self defense (p.64).

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

Under the ordinance, which returns next week to the council for a vote, gun owners must store their firearms in a locked
container or disable them with a trigger lock. Guns don’t have to be stored if the weapon is carried or “within close proximity
and control that the owner can readily retrieve and use the handgun as if carried on the person.”

The underlined part is important wording so it does not hinder a legal gun owner from self defense.

It's unclear where you stand on the matter, but I think its safe to assume that you (and most others here) are responsible gun owners and don't have an issue with safe storage. It's part NRA's Gun Safety Rules:
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Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

michaelkih

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 07:33:47 AM »

What you've quoted above refers the D.C. Firearms Control Regulations Act "Home Rule" that required a firearm within ones residence be kept "un-loaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger-locking device". Which was basically banning possession of an operable firearm within ones home.

BUT when one reads the entire section of the ruling, the issue was not about storage, but how rendering a firearm inoperable infringes on ones right to self defense (p.64).

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
The underlined part is important wording so it does not hinder a legal gun owner from self defense.

It's unclear where you stand on the matter, but I think its safe to assume that you (and most others here) are responsible gun owners and don't have an issue with safe storage. It's part NRA's Gun Safety Rules:

I still don't agree with it. People need to take the responsibility on their own. A law does not need to be put in place for it. There are enough gun laws as it is, and it just gives police one more thing to tag you for if they are ever over for whatever reason.  Yes I agree with safe storage. I have an entire vault room of machine guns, but I shouldn't be concerned of breaking the law if I leave MY gun out in MY HOUSE.  Do you really think the LA government will really stop there anyways? Of course not! It's just one more step taken in the direction they want, and it's always about "protecting the children" when it's not.  People complying with stuff like this is now why there are so many pointless gun laws in California, Hawaii, New York, Illinois, etc. 

This law doesn't affect me here in Texas YET, but it's still crap that my fellow Americans shouldn't have to put up with.

eyeeatingfish

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 11:19:31 PM »
I still don't agree with it. People need to take the responsibility on their own. A law does not need to be put in place for it. There are enough gun laws as it is, and it just gives police one more thing to tag you for if they are ever over for whatever reason.  Yes I agree with safe storage. I have an entire vault room of machine guns, but I shouldn't be concerned of breaking the law if I leave MY gun out in MY HOUSE.  Do you really think the LA government will really stop there anyways? Of course not! It's just one more step taken in the direction they want, and it's always about "protecting the children" when it's not.  People complying with stuff like this is now why there are so many pointless gun laws in California, Hawaii, New York, Illinois, etc. 

This law doesn't affect me here in Texas YET, but it's still crap that my fellow Americans shouldn't have to put up with.

I liken it to seatbelt laws for children. You as a driver can be risky and forgo wearing a seatbelt, but when it comes to children, we mandate seatbelts so they don't get hurt through bad parenting.

Colt808

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2015, 05:25:37 AM »
I still don't agree with it. People need to take the responsibility on their own. A law does not need to be put in place for it. There are enough gun laws as it is, and it just gives police one more thing to tag you for if they are ever over for whatever reason.  Yes I agree with safe storage. I have an entire vault room of machine guns, but I shouldn't be concerned of breaking the law if I leave MY gun out in MY HOUSE.  Do you really think the LA government will really stop there anyways? Of course not! It's just one more step taken in the direction they want, and it's always about "protecting the children" when it's not.  People complying with stuff like this is now why there are so many pointless gun laws in California, Hawaii, New York, Illinois, etc. 

This law doesn't affect me here in Texas YET, but it's still crap that my fellow Americans shouldn't have to put up with.
First off, nothing in my statement implied that I support or oppose that law (or any other relating to firearms). It's was for clarification (or to educate), about two posts that might cause confusion. So tone it down or read more carefully before trying to start an argument when there is none.

When I read your post, I get: 1) You don't agree with that particular law, 2) you don't like laws, 3) you agree with safe storage, and 4) it doesn't matter you're in Texas...the rest is rhetoric. I agree with point 1) because the 4th Amendment essentially makes it unenforceable until something happens, 3) because we're responsible gun owners and 4) LA county laws amount to squat in Texas (I have dual residency and just got back 4 months ago). 

But as for 2...That's a personal issue, just know that, like it or not we are a nation of laws and have been since its founding.  BUT you are free to decide for yourself what laws (that apply) you like and want to obey.  Personally, I choose to abide by laws regardless how I might feel about it. Why? Because it's the cornerstone of every pro-2A argument made, which is: We gun owners are responsible, law abiding citizens. That is what gives us the high ground when countering the idiotic fear mongering statements like "do it for the children" or "keeping guns from criminals". It's really something to think about before making statements or suggesting people disobey a law in an public forum.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

michaelkih

Re: LA CITY COUNCIL PASSES TOUGHER GUN STORAGE LAWS
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2015, 11:19:51 AM »
First off, nothing in my statement implied that I support or oppose that law (or any other relating to firearms). It's was for clarification (or to educate), about two posts that might cause confusion. So tone it down or read more carefully before trying to start an argument when there is none.

When I read your post, I get: 1) You don't agree with that particular law, 2) you don't like laws, 3) you agree with safe storage, and 4) it doesn't matter you're in Texas...the rest is rhetoric. I agree with point 1) because the 4th Amendment essentially makes it unenforceable until something happens, 3) because we're responsible gun owners and 4) LA county laws amount to squat in Texas (I have dual residency and just got back 4 months ago). 

But as for 2...That's a personal issue, just know that, like it or not we are a nation of laws and have been since its founding.  BUT you are free to decide for yourself what laws (that apply) you like and want to obey.  Personally, I choose to abide by laws regardless how I might feel about it. Why? Because it's the cornerstone of every pro-2A argument made, which is: We gun owners are responsible, law abiding citizens. That is what gives us the high ground when countering the idiotic fear mongering statements like "do it for the children" or "keeping guns from criminals". It's really something to think about before making statements or suggesting people disobey a law in an public forum.

I wasn't trying to start an argument.  It just pisses me off seeing laws like that get passed, and people just shrug it off cause "it's no big deal".  It always snowballs into a bigger deal over time and it's bull shit.  We have to appose the laws by trying to get laws passed to reverse them.  I do that here, and when I move back to Kauai, I'll be bringing up every single BS law to the courts, police, everyone daily and get as many supporters as I can.  I may never be able to bring my full autos and suppressors there, but if I can help change ONE thing I'll call that a victory.  Once again not trying to start an argument, but damn these laws I read about in other places just piss me off that's all