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troy tanaka

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2016, 01:05:24 PM »
Everyone know giving up 2nd right for no taxes is my agenda that's a given, but NRA right to protect our second amendment I'm all for it, how to go about protecting our rights that's debatable, we can have our guns but the process of getting the guns is what debated.
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stangzilla

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2016, 01:07:30 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on January 08, 2016, 12:09:37 PM
^+1 and well said

Biggest problem I see is he thinks he's the King.

yes, i agree
his whole attitude demeanor, its disgusting.
i couldn't even watch too much of his town hall meeting all at once.
i just can't stand the sight or sound of the guy.
but i did go back and watch it bit by bit, as i can only stomach so much at a time.
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aieahound

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2016, 01:14:35 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
Everyone know giving up 2nd right for no taxes is my agenda that's a given

Giving up your 2A right for no taxes is your agenda ?
Did I read that right ?   :wacko:
:   :wtf:
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MMM

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2016, 01:41:10 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on January 08, 2016, 01:14:35 PM
Giving up your 2A right for no taxes is your agenda ?
Did I read that right ?   :wacko:
:   :wtf:

yup. he wants no roads, sewers, laws, government, defense, etc..........WTF?   :wacko: :wacko:
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troy tanaka

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2016, 02:01:19 PM »
Oh that's easy Hawaii roads worst in the nation, pot holes on pot holes, sewers sand island getting fined be the epa, laws are only good if people follow them, it's bad when you don't,government it's an election year pretty soon their going grease you're butt to get your vote, American defense using telephone taps spying on our own people, breaking our constitutional rights to privacy etc etc etc. I bet cc fees for guns is going up cause Hawaii broke, tax the people cause that's the cash cow, I ain't using the rail how that benefit me etc etc etc China is buying up all our bonds, America owes the biggest money to China on foreign investment, our taxes gotta pay for that, oh we paying off Afghanistan, and Pakistan billions wonder who pays for that, we pay so the government of Mexico can keep drugs from coming into the us so are we winning the war on drugs ? Nothing is perfect  but we just pay more for less, very less, and that's the trend oh you all shop at wallmart check their tag almost everything made in China good thing we all buy American guns right guys!!!!!!
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 02:38:22 PM by troy tanaka »
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Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2016, 04:38:30 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
Everyone know giving up 2nd right for no taxes is my agenda that's a given, but NRA right to protect our second amendment I'm all for it, how to go about protecting our rights that's debatable, we can have our guns but the process of getting the guns is what debated.

Nah, I'm good.

I'd rather pay taxes than give up my freedom.
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All_rice

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2016, 05:08:26 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 12:56:00 PM
So ren you saying women shouldn't have some kind of protection against people with bad intentions

EVERY law abiding citizen  should have the right to protect themselves against people with bad intentions. 
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bass monkey

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2016, 05:17:27 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 09:34:37 AM
I love it when you all put words in other people's mouth, especially you guys in the conspiracy theory section, NRA got you so wounded up that you guy's aren't thinking for yourselves it sounds like the NRA is like Isis recruiting people for their agenda. Obamas going take your guns common people, you sound like Isis recruiting brain washed people, not thinking for yourself, NRA says  jump in the fire you jump in the fire without thinking, congress tells you jump in the fire you jump in the fire. NRA says Obama going to take your guns away oh let's buy more guns, you are the ones can't think for yourselves, so one sided that you guys can't keep an open mind. I would love to compromise with Obama, I would give up my right to the second amendment if I don't have to pay no taxes, government taking half your guys paycheck and every week now that right their you guys should fight for oh got off topic damn. Right here right now I give up my guns if I pay no taxes for the rest of my life now that's a bargain and the NRA they go away real fast but could of would of should of is all nonsense because life goes on and people get kill d every day that's reality
You guys saying Cocaine  a hell of a drug, propaganda is like cocaine you keep taking it in regardless of what you think

Compromise.
So law abiding citizens, the NRA, the world, everyone gives up their 2a rights.  What is Obama and everyone else giving up?  Doesn't sound like much of a compromise if the other side isn't giving anything up as well.
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mauidog

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2016, 05:24:13 PM »
Quote from: bass monkey on January 08, 2016, 05:17:27 PM
Compromise.
So law abiding citizens, the NRA, the world, everyone gives up their 2a rights.  What is Obama and everyone else giving up?  Doesn't sound like much of a compromise if the other side isn't giving anything up as well.

That's always been my argument. 

In a compromise, there should be give and take.

All the other side ever gives up is some of what they were demanding you give up.

For example: 

>>> Give me all your guns.

<<< No.

>>> Okay, then we are willing to compromise if you give up just the Assault Weapons.

<<< If we agree, what do we get from you?

>>> You get to keep all the non-assault weapons! We think that's a generous offer!


That's how they compromise!!
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edster48

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2016, 06:44:27 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
Everyone know giving up 2nd right for no taxes is my agenda that's a given, but NRA right to protect our second amendment I'm all for it, how to go about protecting our rights that's debatable, we can have our guns but the process of getting the guns is what debated.

You're an idiot.

Think about this, if our government taxes us this much, and treats us this badly when the population is basically armed to the teeth, just try to imagine how bad it would be if they could control our access to firearms.

OH Look! Frozen Kool Aid!!


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troy tanaka

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 PM »
 that's easy you either go with the law or go against it, people can grip but still give up their arms or fight the government by breaking the law your choice, it's like saying you wanna break the law or be a renegade up to you, but ask this you think militias can go against the army? If so what you got is an old faction civil war. If 2/3 of the country says get rid of the second amendment and they have the votes then what, you wanna break the law, it's up to you, that's why we vote, oh when you say koolaid that's reminds me of James town how people died because they never think for themselves, they followed a crazy man


So edster you a crazy preacher handing out koolaid ?
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edster48

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2016, 08:01:29 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
that's easy you either go with the law or go against it, people can grip but still give up their arms or fight the government by breaking the law your choice, it's like saying you wanna break the law or be a renegade up to you, but ask this you think militias can go against the army? If so what you got is an old faction civil war. If 2/3 of the country says get rid of the second amendment and they have the votes then what, you wanna break the law, it's up to you, that's why we vote, oh when you say koolaid that's reminds me of James town how people died because they never think for themselves, they followed a crazy man


So edster you a crazy preacher handing out koolaid ?

Still an idiot.

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stangzilla

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2016, 08:33:49 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
Everyone know giving up 2nd right for no taxes is my agenda that's a given, but NRA right to protect our second amendment I'm all for it, how to go about protecting our rights that's debatable, we can have our guns but the process of getting the guns is what debated.

there is no debate. 
its an executive action.  he doesn't care what anybody says. 
executive action means just that, what he says, goes.  no debate.
they made sure of that by screening the questions before hand

Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 02:01:19 PM
, laws are only good if people follow them,

exactly
which is why background checks did not do anything in san bernadino or sandy hook
they passed the background check and then gave the guns to the perps
criminals don't obey laws.  background checks wont work on them.

give up your guns for no taxes
not going to happen
taxes run the government. wont happen

Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
that's easy you either go with the law or go against it, people can grip but still give up their arms or fight the government by breaking the law your choice, it's like saying you wanna break the law or be a renegade up to you, but ask this you think militias can go against the army? If so what you got is an old faction civil war. If 2/3 of the country says get rid of the second amendment and they have the votes then what, you wanna break the law, it's up to you, that's why we vote,



go with the law
this is exactly what soetoro is not doing.  we dont vote, congress does.  they did.  they voted to not side with soetoro.  vote is done.
he is circumventing congress and making an executive action, that is going against the law
nobody here is going against the law, we all want to preserve the second amendment

infringe:
 to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )

to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

"Shall not be infringed."


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aieahound

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2016, 10:52:06 PM »
I don't even understand what Troy Tanaka just said !
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mauidog

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2016, 11:08:11 PM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
that's easy you either go with the law or go against it, people can grip but still give up their arms or fight the government by breaking the law your choice, it's like saying you wanna break the law or be a renegade up to you, but ask this you think militias can go against the army? If so what you got is an old faction civil war. If 2/3 of the country says get rid of the second amendment and they have the votes then what, you wanna break the law, it's up to you, that's why we vote, oh when you say koolaid that's reminds me of James town how people died because they never think for themselves, they followed a crazy man


So edster you a crazy preacher handing out koolaid ?

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mauidog

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2016, 12:01:18 AM »
Quote from: aieahound on January 08, 2016, 11:48:00 AM
Funny. Not one thing to back up your statement about the majority of mass murderers have liberal ideological leanings and/or register democrat.

Or about how mental health is not a factor.

Same old distract and attack.

OK I'll concede your examples.

Still
Seung hi cho
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza
All Mental health with a history of serious mental health problems
(Although Lanza technically stole his mom's gun)

Oklahoma bombing
Definitely conservative
And more killed than all of the above.
(And you didn't say mass shootings, you said mass murder)

Okay, now that I have more time .....

– Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim.

– Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter

– Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.

– James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.

– Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.

– Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat

– James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.

McVeigh was NOT "definitely Conservative."  He was agnostic and registered Republican in the 1980s.  He became part of a movement to overthrow what they believed to be a tyrannical government.

Think about the word "Conservative" and what it means.  Conservatives are not known for blowing up buildings and killing people, much less over government-sanctioned law enforcement actions.  If anything, Conservatives would rather the Branch Davidians and Randy Weaver surrender and take their grievances to the justice system.  It's not the Conservatives who protest in public and vandalize cities in protest for supposed civil rights violations.  You need to get your definitions straightened out!

My example was to illustrate how dangerous it is to create arbitrary groups of people who are denied Constitutional rights simply for their being labeled.  it's obvious here labeling is grossly unfair and inaccurate for most people.  Not everyone believes 100% of the things people associate with Liberalism or Conservatism, but you would pigeon-hole everyone by, what?  How they vote?  How they register to vote?  Whether they are Christian or Atheist?

There's a whole lot of stereotyping going on when you go down that road.  Not one stereotype is true regardless of how many anecdotal example you can find.  You simply have no way to know what is in someone's mind or heart.
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edster48

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2016, 05:39:14 AM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 02:01:19 PM
Oh that's easy Hawaii roads worst in the nation, pot holes on pot holes, sewers sand island getting fined be the epa, laws are only good if people follow them, it's bad when you don't,government it's an election year pretty soon their going grease you're butt to get your vote, American defense using telephone taps spying on our own people, breaking our constitutional rights to privacy etc etc etc. I bet cc fees for guns is going up cause Hawaii broke, tax the people cause that's the cash cow, I ain't using the rail how that benefit me etc etc etc China is buying up all our bonds, America owes the biggest money to China on foreign investment, our taxes gotta pay for that, oh we paying off Afghanistan, and Pakistan billions wonder who pays for that, we pay so the government of Mexico can keep drugs from coming into the us so are we winning the war on drugs ? Nothing is perfect  but we just pay more for less, very less, and that's the trend oh you all shop at wallmart check their tag almost everything made in China good thing we all buy American guns right guys!!!!!!

Quote from: troy tanaka on January 08, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
that's easy you either go with the law or go against it, people can grip but still give up their arms or fight the government by breaking the law your choice, it's like saying you wanna break the law or be a renegade up to you, but ask this you think militias can go against the army? If so what you got is an old faction civil war. If 2/3 of the country says get rid of the second amendment and they have the votes then what, you wanna break the law, it's up to you, that's why we vote, oh when you say koolaid that's reminds me of James town how people died because they never think for themselves, they followed a crazy man


So edster you a crazy preacher handing out koolaid ?

This is what happens when the mind is infected with the disease of liberalism.

The mouth puckers up like a sphincter, then vitriolic diarrhea spews forth.

As thought processes have been blocked, everything becomes "easy" due to the fact that no logic or common sense is present in the mind.

I pray for a cure in our lifetime.

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troy tanaka

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2016, 06:07:19 AM »
I think the NRA is great protecting our 2nd amendment right but now their interest is protecting gun manufacturers not the people buying guns. Is it our right to have open carry, why don't I have open carry, NRA just pressure the mayor then he pressure the chief of police, no we gotta go through the supreme court, like climbing a mountain and after that state politicians make you climb another mountain and find ways to stall everything. Why are we in Hawaii the toughest restriction in the US for long gun permit or hand gun?
« Last Edit: January 09, 2016, 07:07:13 AM by troy tanaka »
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mauidog

Re: Guns in America on CNN
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2016, 10:33:19 AM »
Quote from: troy tanaka on January 09, 2016, 06:07:19 AM
I think the NRA is great protecting our 2nd amendment right but now their interest is protecting gun manufacturers not the people buying guns. Is it our right to have open carry, why don't I have open carry, NRA just pressure the mayor then he pressure the chief of police, no we gotta go through the supreme court, like climbing a mountain and after that state politicians make you climb another mountain and find ways to stall everything. Why are we in Hawaii the toughest restriction in the US for long gun permit or hand gun?

Gun manufacturers don't need protecting.  They are producing and selling a legal product to a growing market.

A side effect of fighting for the 2A is that gun manufacturers do benefit.  The flip side of that is, if manufacturers stopped making guns, the anti-gun crowd wins the debate by default.

While the politicians do like the campaign donations, they could replace the $10,000 or $100,000 in NRA donations with another fundraiser dinner or three.  They are far from dependent on the NRA to win elections.

Bloomberg is spending a billion dollars to gut the Second Amendment.  With people like that working against you, don't you think the NRA representing our side is a good thing?  If any other gun rights group steps up to the plate with 5 million + members, they would be vilified, too.

Quote
[...] today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.  The bulk of the group's money
now comes in the from of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

In other words, the NRA magazines we get as members contain ads for guns.  The people placing the ads provide the NRA revenue for placing ads in their magazines, on their websites, and so forth.

If the corporate donors have the same objective as the grass roots members, corporations' motivations make no difference to me.  Do you question the motives of a mechanic when he's trying to fix your car?  You both want your car to work and be safe.  The difference is, you do so because you need it for transportation.  He, on the other hand, does it to make a living.  Are you going to talk stink about him just because his motives are different than yours and involve making money, or are you going to send your friends and relatives to him because he did a great job?

It's the Liberal mindset that seeks to discredit someone's actions by questioning their motives, when in reality the motives are irrelevant.  Results are what we should focus on, and we should be thankful there are deep pockets ready and able to support our cause.
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