After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

Good for you.  Thanks for the effort.

Sounds like you need to ask your representatives to forward your questions to the AG on your behalf.  The response letter said they will furnish written legal opinions to the legislature..

Make sure to copy Senator Espero.  Maybe since he suggested going to the AG directly, he'd like to know that's just not how things are done!  He may even forward your letter himself to the AG as a courtesy, assuming he's not your district's Senator.

Just my 2 pesos. 

After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

Welcome to the forum Taj, why don't you go here and tell us a little bit about yourself, https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4.0


I am not surprised by the reply from the AG's office one bit.


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The Attorney General's office will not interpret any law for you, however, they WILL be happy to prosecute you for breaking that law should your interpretation of it be different from their previously undisclosed interpretation.

After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

As the AG doesnt want to answer your questions for you i will

It is in violation but we dont care, Its an election year and we want to look like were doing something about non existing gun violence in Hawaii, That being said the law dosent really do what we said it does yet. But when it does you can sue us, Its your money well spend on defense and when we lose its your money we will pay the lawyers with.

We dont care about your privacy or freedoms see above answers for details.

After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

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Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for tbe effort.
That is so f..d up.

2aHawaii, we need to get better organized. How can we? Well, I have been speaking with two pro 2a lawyers on the mainland. Allen Beck and Steven Stsmboulieh. In fact, Allen Beck has worked in conjunction with Richard Holcomb. They were instrumental in getting Kaiser to correct their bad practices with releasing better information to HPD. Steven and Allen both said they want to help. But of course money talks. They know The HRA president and his assistant and as I understand there is supposed to be a fund raiser. Please inform me and the others if in fact this is true. I've tried to reach out to HRA, with no luck. I'm tired of this tyranny and want to get the ball rolling. The politicians don't care, we need to be more vigilant of our rights or they will just disappear as they are in California. Thoughts?


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After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

Well written Taj, if it's okay I'd like to include these emails with the one I will cont duct tomorrow. Please let me know if this will not be a problem.


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Absolutely! Please share

Absolutely! Please share

Great, thanks and I'm curious the bs response they will give me.


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After a great meeting with Sen Espero on Monday, I was able to talk to him in person regarding SB 2954. He told me to make sure I sent an email voicing my concerns to the Attorney General's office and CC him as well.

Just for the community's edifcation, I am including the contents of my email... and of course their respsonse, which was pretty unbelievable.

Feel free to discuss & share your comments

~Friction

We should save this response as it could be used to defend someone who gets caught in some law twist. It could go to show that the AG's office refused to help citizens clarify legal gun questions. Thanks for posting this.

We should save this response as it could be used to defend someone who gets caught in some law twist. It could go to show that the AG's office refused to help citizens clarify legal gun questions. Thanks for posting this.

The AG is bond by law not to interpret laws to the general public under HRS.
However,  your locally elected official can ask them for you.

We should save this response as it could be used to defend someone who gets caught in some law twist. It could go to show that the AG's office refused to help citizens clarify legal gun questions. Thanks for posting this.

Can you state a past case, or come up with a realistic hypothetical case, which illustrates what you are saying? I honestly can't figure out what you mean by "some law twist" or how this canned response from the AG could be used as a defense.

Maybe if I had the same lawyer schooling and legal studies you say you've had, I'd be able to grab my class notes from that lecture on law twists.

 

Has anyone given any thought the my post earlier. We really need to do something more. Suing I think would be a better solution to the politicians nonexistent care for our rights. Let's do something more.


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Has anyone given any thought the my post earlier. We really need to do something more. Suing I think would be a better solution to the politicians nonexistent care for our rights. Let's do something more.


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see reply #3 https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23751.0

2aHawaii, we need to get better organized. How can we? Well, I have been speaking with two pro 2a lawyers on the mainland. Allen Beck and Steven Stsmboulieh. In fact, Allen Beck has worked in conjunction with Richard Holcomb. They were instrumental in getting Kaiser to correct their bad practices with releasing better information to HPD. Steven and Allen both said they want to help. But of course money talks. They know The HRA president and his assistant and as I understand there is supposed to be a fund raiser. Please inform me and the others if in fact this is true. I've tried to reach out to HRA, with no luck. I'm tired of this tyranny and want to get the ball rolling. The politicians don't care, we need to be more vigilant of our rights or they will just disappear as they are in California. Thoughts?


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AMEN to that!  We've been trying for years to get everyone rolling in the same direction. It's a very difficult thing to do.  There are so many different factions, disciplines, and facets in the shoot community.

AMEN to that!  We've been trying for years to get everyone rolling in the same direction. It's a very difficult thing to do.  There are so many different factions, disciplines, and facets in the shoot community.

Okay, seems to be an organizational issue then. We need to hit this like a grass roots effort. Know on doors, talk to gun stores, have actual meetings. I'm will to put in the grunt work, are the others.


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Okay, seems to be an organizational issue then. We need to hit this like a grass roots effort. Know on doors, talk to gun stores, have actual meetings. I'm will to put in the grunt work, are the others.


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It is much deeper than that, but  We will continue to fight.  Stay tuned for more efforts on the way, and thank you for volunteering!

It is much deeper than that, but  We will continue to fight.  Stay tuned for more efforts on the way, and thank you for volunteering!

Why is it deeper then? It seems more like an organization problem. I'm not the end all be all but having lived here for twelve plus years seems we have an issue getting organized. Please enlighten me. Maybe I'm the ignorant one.


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Why is it deeper then? It seems more like an organization problem. I'm not the end all be all but having lived here for twelve plus years seems we have an issue getting organized. Please enlighten me. Maybe I'm the ignorant one.


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