Concealed carrier murdered by cop (Read 52586 times)

robtmc

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2016, 05:38:10 PM »
HPD doesn't test for IQ. They test for reading comprehension followed by a behavioral/psych inventory.

But, but, it sounds like they must be revolted by homosexuals as well to pass, racism is just icing on the cake.............

gt1_911

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2016, 07:12:48 PM »
 :popcorn:
« Last Edit: July 07, 2016, 07:26:58 PM by gt1_911 »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2016, 07:31:46 PM »
As we well know, canned studies are easy to manipulate, and in this case the statistics tell a different story. I wonder if they gave the written/oral part first, giving the subjects time to figure out what was going on?

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/diane-sawyer-rigs-mass-shooting-experiment-2020

Again, you haven't actually discredited the methodology of the story. You are merely claiming it isn't valid without any real cause.

The written part was first but as I pointed out the delay averaged 0.23 seconds. Do you really think they all managed to deliberately differentiate such a small fraction of a second all so they could claim they weren't racist?

surfer22

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2016, 07:54:15 PM »
This is all pretty simple. Baton Rouge shooting was a bummer but not the cops fault. Mr Sterling as illegally carrying a concealed weapon and refused arrest. You do that and you will get shot. It's nobodies fault but his. As for Mr Castles shooting, that one is up in the air. There isn't enough to evidence to make an informed opinion. The video starts after the shooting.  He could have ignored the cops instructions and reached for something he wasn't supposed to. Or the cop could have shot him in cold blood for no reason. There's just not enough evidence to know yet.

hvybarrels

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2016, 11:11:21 AM »
HPD doesn't test for IQ. They test for reading comprehension followed by a behavioral/psych inventory.
Your point is moot since you never applied or bothered into learning about the process. Your fear and distrust of organizations is your lack of knowledge about them. You wouldn't know what to do in a situation like that. You aren't trained in any way and you are far less capable than handling the situation than those police officers.

Why are you making this about me? It seems as if you ran of ammo trying to defend a training and screening process that clearly has much room for improvement, and a system that clearly needs some serious reform.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

hvybarrels

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2016, 11:12:28 AM »
Again, you haven't actually discredited the methodology of the story. You are merely claiming it isn't valid without any real cause.

The written part was first but as I pointed out the delay averaged 0.23 seconds. Do you really think they all managed to deliberately differentiate such a small fraction of a second all so they could claim they weren't racist?

I'm claiming statistical analysis is more reliable, and it tells a different story.
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hvybarrels

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2016, 11:18:45 AM »
But, but, it sounds like they must be revolted by homosexuals as well to pass, racism is just icing on the cake.............

When the head of SHOPO says he'd rather die than enforce gay marriage and the best HPD can do is offer a tepid and late response then yeah, the leadership is weak and needs replacement
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ren

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2016, 12:02:27 PM »
When the head of SHOPO says he'd rather die than enforce gay marriage and the best HPD can do is offer a tepid and late response then yeah, the leadership is weak and needs replacement

I don't want to be forced to be gay. Good for SHOPO. :thumbsup:
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robtmc

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2016, 01:36:43 PM »
Good for SHOPO. :thumbsup:

The nerve of a cop to have an opinion of his own.................

The fascist left is always watching and waiting to pounce on any non-PC thought crimes.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2016, 02:09:45 PM »
I'm claiming statistical analysis is more reliable, and it tells a different story.

Statistical analysis of actual shootings cannot provide micro time measurements that would measure what goes on during a shoot/no shoot event.

The tide may be turning is what the study points too. From officers who were more suspicious of black people to officers who are afraid they are going to get sued. End result can be good or bad depending on the situation.

But this is just a study I threw out there to think about. The situation I see is that we have a small amount of racism mixed with a decent amount of stereotyping, and a huge amount of assumption of racism.

I was in Waikiki one night and saw 3 police standing over a black guy. He was stopped for walking in the roadway and flashing people. He was handcuffed and rolling around the ground screaming that he was stopped because he was black and that he was going to be raped by the police. He appeared very intoxicated and the police were acting professionally. He ended up being taken to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. When this guy sobered up the next day, do you think in his mind the police treated him fairly or do you think he is going to go and tell his friends about how some racist cops profiled him? I would bet the latter. His claim of racism is based off a false perception.

That is just an example of a false perception to illustrate my next question. How many instances out there do you think are actual racism or stereotyping vs how many are incidents where someone falsely perceived racism?


« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 02:30:43 PM by eyeeatingfish »

Rocky

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2016, 04:36:18 PM »
Quote
    "The officer still sounds distressed as he explains, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand off it."

   Listen to all of the tape and you'll hear some guy repeatedly yelling "Fu ( %,  Fu ( %, " in the background.  :shake:
That sounds like a distressed officer. I can see him in my mind pacing back and forth yelling at himself.

    As for all of this :"more blacks in jail" and " less crime in Hawaii cuz we have less blacks", replace the word "blacks" with "Hawaiians" (who seem to be the majority of the jailed here) and it balances out both of your arguments.  ???
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macsak

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2016, 04:55:15 PM »
reports are now saying he was not a legal concealed carrier
and that he and the girlfriend had "interesting" social media presences

drck1000

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2016, 04:59:30 PM »
I'll post when I get home, but I read of "confirmed reports" that he matched the description of a BOLO of an armed robbery suspect from the past few days.

drck1000

Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2016, 05:01:52 PM »
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

No idea about this site or the "reports". I'm just going to keep an eye out for other reports as info comes to light.

I'll check with a friend in MN who is a retired LEO. He's dealing with cancer recovery, so might be a while until he can respond.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2016, 05:16:17 PM by drck1000 »

Kingkeoni

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2016, 09:34:08 PM »
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

No idea about this site or the "reports". I'm just going to keep an eye out for other reports as info comes to light.

I'll check with a friend in MN who is a retired LEO. He's dealing with cancer recovery, so might be a while until he can respond.


Interesting...
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drck1000

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2016, 09:52:51 PM »


Interesting...
From what I've been told, that site leans hard one way.  Not like others don't lean as well. I'd just like to see the info from different reputable sites.

stangzilla

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2016, 06:56:12 AM »
In a speech from Poland,  Obama just blamed the cc guy's gun for the shooting
That is a sick twist of reality

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2016, 08:25:46 AM »
“I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs.  I have reason to pull it over.”

“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose.”

 
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2016, 08:29:00 AM »
Is this a gun on his thigh ? Is this why he got shot ?

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Jl808

Re: Concealed carrier murdered by cop
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2016, 09:34:11 AM »
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