Lots of jobs pay decent money.  I've been looking for government jobs and there are quite a few.  That pay $40k+.  Now many people will have to start at lower paying work, but they can move up.  Bus drivers, policemen, IT, construction, if you can't qualify for a decent job now you probably majorly screwed something up in the past.  Military is always hiring and they provide the best way for people to move up.  They have decent pay, good training, pay for college, develop leadership skills and discipline,  etc.  You can also get a full-time job in the military reserves if you work hard.

If you screw around in school, do drugs, have a criminal record....you still have second chances to succeed if you clean up.  I think the make or break thing is ATTITUDE.

That much for certain.

AMEN!


Kuleana

Good paying jobs in Hawaii?  Please tell me what they are and how much they pay cause I think myself and many on this forum would sincerely like to know

I like this post and it brings up many points.  Civil discussion on these points can be valuable to the overall health of this free nation.

Lifes' short one day its gone. You'll look back at the times you were pouting and waiting for something to happen when you could've been doing something. You sound like Max the cab driver. island Limos. A concept for 12 years. Well, in your case over 100 years in the making....sit ins at Iolani Palace. Marches (to where by the way? We live on an island). When is the culminating event that would satisfy your people? Bring back the Hawaiian Kingdom? Well, if that happens I don't think they will support commoners having firearms.

Why are you asking rhetorical questions in regards to the Hawaiian Kingdom?

This thread is about fairness and poverty. 

FOCUS.


Kuleana

Here's just a few Starting pay:
Policeman at $65k
City Bus Driver $42k
Bus Mechanic $50k
medical technical fields $40k+

These are just a few that are hiring and I looked up in 2 minutes.  These are jobs people can get with a 2 year degree.  If you say there are no jobs or you don't qualify for anything...right there that's all ATTITUDE and you will go nowhere.

Your facts are correct, provided that the jobs being advertised exist.  In addition, the examples you listed are not constantly hiring as there are only a finite amount positions for each of them.


Kuleana

Here's just a few Starting pay:
Policeman at $65k
City Bus Driver $42k
Bus Mechanic $50k
medical technical fields $40k+

These are just a few that are hiring and I looked up in 2 minutes.  These are jobs people can get with a 2 year degree.  If you say there are no jobs or you don't qualify for anything...right there that's all ATTITUDE and you will go nowhere.

Your facts are correct, provided that the jobs being advertised exist.  In addition, the examples you listed are not constantly hiring as there are only a finite amount positions for each of them.


Kuleana

Why are you asking rhetorical questions in regards to the Hawaiian Kingdom?

This thread is about fairness and poverty.

FOCUS.

Kuleana

Although your observation is valid, I would argue that the outcome described is more anecdotal that statistically factual.

There were many that came since the arrival of Captain Cook to the Hawaiian Islands; however, the success you speak was not universally valid for all immigrants.  If we look back in Hawaiian history, we find the most successful immigrants from the Hawaiian Kingdom era to the Territorial era, was the European/American whites that dominated the political-social-economic strata.  Their success was a result of education, but it also helped when they married into the monarchy and enacted discriminatory laws to all ethnic groups but their own.

Since statehood and the fall of the Big Five (for those who still remember them) to the dawn of the 21st century, that all changed with immigrant Asians, particularly Japanese, that redrew the political-social-economic hierarchy in Hawaii.  Although it is true that this transfer of power and status was partially due to hard work and education, the truth to the matter was the work of the progressives/liberals of Hawaii's democratic party (e.g. Daniel Inoye, Spark Matsunaga, Hiram Fong, Dickie Wong, etc.) through the civil rights movement which was the revolution that paved the way for non-white immigrants living in Hawaii to finally have a piece of prosperity.

Unfortunately, the gains that were made were not distributed equally to all immigrants.  Filipinos and other Southeast Asian immigrants were some immigrant groups that did not see social justice until much later, while many Polynesians as well as other Pacific Island peoples are still waiting for their opportunity.

The point that ought to be made is that hard work and continual education is a necessary condition for political-social-economic success; however, those factors by themselves is not sufficient enough to attain it.

Kuleana

me too

the crazy thing...  the rich appease the poor so they can stay in power.  the poor rely on policies made by the rich that make them increasingly reliant on financial assistance.   and those that aren't rich or poor make up the bulk of society that carry the financial burden.  So you see a mini set of classes in the middle class... those scraping by to stay in there, those living in relative wealth, but are not part of the elite, and everyone in between.  most often the success stories are about those that rise in the mini set of classes, but not many ever leave the lower, middle and elite class that they started in.

Well Said.

If I am not mistaken, your analysis is reminiscent of the findings of  Karl Marx in his writings in regards to social class.  Many often close their minds when it comes to works of Karl Marx, but if one looks at his treaties and evaluation, there is much truth that can be seen all societies today.

Having said that, I am not a communist.     


Kuleana

I guess you didn't go to Punahou?

No.  I did not have the opportunity to attend Punahou Schools.


Guess I'm fortunate to have family to the Fongs 

Good for you.


Kuleana

Well Said.

If I am not mistaken, your analysis is reminiscent of the findings of  Karl Marx in his writings in regards to social class.  Many often close their minds when it comes to works of Karl Marx, but if one looks at his treaties and evaluation, there is much truth that can be seen all societies today.

Having said that, I am not a communist.     

Kuleana

then why refer to a communist in your arguments?

Why not?


I think you are more of a socialist.

You are free to believe what you want to believe.


And why do you quote yourself ?

In order for forum members to not construe my arguments as coming from someone who is adherent of communist ideology.


Kuleana

I have to admit, I cheated.  I was a career and education counselor for 12 years so knowing this stuff was my job.  Those jobs are always available along with many others.  Everything I have posted here is what I learned in 12 years at the job.  I found my job very fulfilling when poor people who were lost came to me for help, then they found a job or graduated from school to get a good job.  On the opposite end, I find it very insulting to this country when people blame society for their predicaments.

agreed.
The irony is that this country has so much freedoms people don't know what they have or what they can do.
People like Kuleana want a hand-out just for existing and give an excuse for any opportunity that are afforded them.

People like Kuleana want a hand-out just for existing and give an excuse for any opportunity that are afforded them.

Please do not make incorrect conclusions or slander my statements in this thread on this forum.


Kuleana