For me at least, it means the same. But consequences are fine, it just depends what they are and who they are from. In my opinion, if there are no-holds-barred consequences from anything other than a government source, that's not good enough protection of free speech. No-holds-barred consequences from individuals (chastize Kaepernick, don't buy tickets) is fine. No-holds-barred consequences from large companies (NFL fine or firing) is something I think our country should re-examine.

Also, we as individuals need to know that our criticism of Kaepernick has weight. If everyone spoke against him, and he had no supporters at all, he very well could be deported/exiled/executed for this very action. Even though it seems like that violates due process, as I illustrated via case example our law system can be unfair, unforgiving, and inconsistent.

While I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure that Kap's patriotism had nothing to do with his motivations or reasons for making "a statement". 

And I'm not angry with Kap.  I did watch part of one of SF's preseason games and waiting for him to get pummeled by a DE or LB.  But that's part of the game.   

He may have ulterior motives,, who knows. But it is plausible that he truly believes this injustice exists. Maybe his girlfriend has him whipped?

Also, we as individuals need to know that our criticism of Kaepernick has weight. If everyone spoke against him, and he had no supporters at all, he very well could be deported/exiled/executed for this very action. Even though it seems like that violates due process, as I illustrated via case example our law system can be unfair, unforgiving, and inconsistent.

NO THEY CAN'T!
He is an American citizen not a North Korean one! I still maintain MY OPINION that he is an ungrateful, spoiled man-child but I would never support an American citizen being executed, deported, or exiled because he exercise his 1st.
Where did you go to school PeeShooter?

We just had those case examples presented, but alright you refuse to acknowledge that possibility. I admire your idealistic nature.

As for your position, you insist that so long as you do not write letters asking that Kaepernick be deported by the government or that the NFL fine him, that your feelings go no further and are in full support of the 1st Amendment. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with that.

For me at least, it means the same. But consequences are fine, it just depends what they are and who they are from. In my opinion, if there are no-holds-barred consequences from anything other than a government source, that's not good enough protection of free speech. No-holds-barred consequences from individuals (chastize Kaepernick, don't buy tickets) is fine. No-holds-barred consequences from large companies (NFL fine or firing) is something I think our country should re-examine.

Also, we as individuals need to know that our criticism of Kaepernick has weight. If everyone spoke against him, and he had no supporters at all, he very well could be deported/exiled/executed for this very action. Even though it seems like that violates due process, as I illustrated via case example our law system can be unfair, unforgiving, and inconsistent.

Where is the government imposing any sort of consequences or repercussions on Kap?  Why do you keep going back to that?  Seems like you have a bone to pick with the gov, but I don't think there's a connection here between the issue of Kap's protest and the government. 

If the 49ers want to get rid of him, they can for any number of reasons, none of which they need to disclose to anyone.  Well, I guess if the 49ers came out and said that they cut Kap because of his views on the National Anthem, then I guess you would have a case. He's too expensive to just cut from the team, not that he's real marketable right now. 

Sure, peoples' criticism carries weight, especially if there's a large enough group that share that same view.  Say a group that chooses to boycott a restaurant because they expressed their distain for gun owners and not allow for CC in their establishment (assuming they are carrying legally) and that reduces revenue to the point that it makes them go out of business.  Are those people who boycott somehow suppressing the restaurant's freedom of speech?  The restaurant owners are certainly free to express their views and I truly respect their right.  That doesn't mean that I am going to support that business.  Would you be arguing that our criticism of the restaurant is against the 1st and 2nd amendment? 

This is an example of a deportation. Non US citizen. Committed a crime in US. In this case, his country doesn't want to take him, so he remains here.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/07/laos-refused-to-take-back-ex-con-gunman-who-shot-fresno-sheriffs.html

This thread is reminding me of psycho criminals and mass murderers who use their actions to gain national attention.
As long as this thread runs, he's getting exactly what he wants.

This thread is reminding me of psycho criminals and mass murderers who use their actions to gain national attention.
As long as this thread runs, he's getting exactly what he wants.

as an author you should understand
don't suppress the 1st...

I heard that some high school teams will emulate Kaepernick. Anyone witness?

He's still a Ying in the NFL?  Huh....small miracles I guess... (sarcasm)

and here we go...
https://gma.yahoo.com/texas-youth-football-team-continue-protesting-anthem-despite-024900841--abc-news-topstories.html

Which local teams here will likely follow? East side or west side high schools?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/25/jim-harbaugh-claims-support-for-michigan-players-who-raised-fists-during-anthem/#comments

Especially relevant considering who Jim Harbaugh is and what his personality is supposedly like. I encourage people to read all his words carefully though, he does NOT support this anthem protest. If anything I think he is angrier about it than anyone in this thread.

But as he said and showed, he has thought a lot about this and partially changed his mind over time. That's all that a couple of us were asking people to do, to reconsider various parts of their stance on this matter. And even if someone won't change their mind one bit that's fine (and maybe there was no reason to, depending on what the initial stance was exactly).

Harbaugh is in a unique position better than the rest of us, to demonstrate and prove his feelings. He arguably has the authority (according to him) to prevent this action if he chooses to. And he chose not to, despite how he hates it. It wouldn't be "illegal" for him to prevent it, as he is not the government.

People here can likewise be angry, and think and say Kaepernick is a turd. But if you take the same stance as Harbaugh, you would still watch football or buy tickets regardless. This goes beyond just keeping in compliance with what current First Amendment law in America dictates: you would be going further. Unlike with Harbaugh though, whatever you choose to do, or wish upon Kaepernick, can't be seen by the rest of us, that's why there was some feeling of uncertainty and unease.

I find it hard to correlate 1st Amendment and buying tickets or subscriptions for foolsball.

I won't watch it or any other idiotic 'bread and circuses' distractions thus further.

If I go to a restaurant and I am personally insulted, I will not return AND I would let everyone I know my experience there.

It not me suppressing any persons right to free speech or protest. It's me exercising my right to the same. 

A football stadium is a waste of a 1000 yard world class range.
I don't have to watch football or like Kaepernick.
I don't have his talent, money, opportunities but I am a lot more grateful to the USA for what opportunities that were afforded me than he will ever be. I served with men that had more courage than he will ever have in his lifetime. Some of them gave far more than he will ever comprehend. His kneeling is an insult to all those that served and sacrificed. We serve because we believe in this country and its citizens. I don't care what color you are. God bless the USA.

For me at least, it means the same. But consequences are fine, it just depends what they are and who they are from. In my opinion, if there are no-holds-barred consequences from anything other than a government source, that's not good enough protection of free speech. No-holds-barred consequences from individuals (chastize Kaepernick, don't buy tickets) is fine. No-holds-barred consequences from large companies (NFL fine or firing) is something I think our country should re-examine.

Also, we as individuals need to know that our criticism of Kaepernick has weight. If everyone spoke against him, and he had no supporters at all, he very well could be deported/exiled/executed for this very action. Even though it seems like that violates due process, as I illustrated via case example our law system can be unfair, unforgiving, and inconsistent.

i just heard on sports radio that colin kaepernick admitted he didn't vote
smh

Seems to me that not voting reinforces his cause. If he doesn't like this country, why should he waste his time unless there is a candidate he supports?

The incoming President himself suggested that Kaepernick leave this country...