I think he is a democrat in the guise of Libertarian.  His pot smoking and pacifist views are probably the only thing Libertarian about him.....  doesn't that make him a democrat?

I think he is a democrat in the guise of Libertarian.  His pot smoking and pacifist views are probably the only thing Libertarian about him.....  doesn't that make him a democrat?

I think he might just be playing the hand dealt to him. He knows that to get elected he has to attract voters from both aisles and that means he has got to tout some democrat ideas as well.

Is it selling out libertarian values? Yes, but it would seem necessary. I don't know what he will be like if he makes it to the presidency but there is the argument that you have to make it to the top before you can effect change.

I think he might just be playing the hand dealt to him. He knows that to get elected he has to attract voters from both aisles and that means he has got to tout some democrat ideas as well.

Is it selling out libertarian values? Yes, but it would seem necessary. I don't know what he will be like if he makes it to the presidency but there is the argument that you have to make it to the top before you can effect change.

So the argument that the Libertarian is for smaller government is the truth, while his statements for more government is a lie to get elected?

"The ends justifies the means" is a Liberal Democrat mantra.  If you compromise your ideology to get elected, you'll have no qualms about compromising your integrity when in office.

Anyone voting for this man is a fool, especially if their vote is supposedly based on "principle".

So the argument that the Libertarian is for smaller government is the truth, while his statements for more government is a lie to get elected?

"The ends justifies the means" is a Liberal Democrat mantra.  If you compromise your ideology to get elected, you'll have no qualms about compromising your integrity when in office.

Anyone voting for this man is a fool, especially if their vote is supposedly based on "principle".

"The ends justify the means" is not owned by either party. It is widely used by democrats and republicans and it could be applied in ways probably anyone would agree with.

I agree he probably isn't a pure libertarian but he is running as one. If these are his true beliefs then well he is what he is even if not a true libertarian. I am just pointing out that it is hard for a 3rd party candidate to become viable without some compromise. If you have to cheat a little to fix a broken system, are you being moral or immoral?

"The ends justify the means" is not owned by either party. It is widely used by democrats and republicans and it could be applied in ways probably anyone would agree with.

I agree he probably isn't a pure libertarian but he is running as one. If these are his true beliefs then well he is what he is even if not a true libertarian. I am just pointing out that it is hard for a 3rd party candidate to become viable without some compromise. If you have to cheat a little to fix a broken system, are you being moral or immoral?

The hypocrisy lies in the statement "I'm voting my conscience" while voting for a LINO.  Not voting for Trump because he's a RINO, but believing a vote for Johnson is "principled", is naive at best, if not dishonest.

I really wanted to vote Libertarian but Gary Johnson just makes me want to throw up.

Trump makes me want to throw up less. So, gonna go with Trump, as before.

I really wanted to vote Libertarian but Gary Johnson just makes me want to throw up.

Trump makes me want to throw up less. So, gonna go with Trump, as before.

Trump comes with the bonus of having a chance to beat Hillary.  Johnson is a wasted vote.  Might as well write your Johnson vote on a wad of toilet tissue for all the good casting a vote for him does!

I think of Johnson as an extension of the Hillary camp - he exists to siphon votes away from Trump.
I think he is an alternative for voters who don't want Hillary but on the fence for Trump.

I think of Johnson as an extension of the Hillary camp - he exists to siphon votes away from Trump.
I think he is an alternative for voters who don't want Hillary but on the fence for Trump.

Would not surprise me to hear his campaign received hundreds of donations from Clinton Foundation members to keep him in the race!

I think he might just be playing the hand dealt to him. He knows that to get elected he has to attract voters from both aisles and that means he has got to tout some democrat ideas as well.

Is it selling out libertarian values? Yes, but it would seem necessary. I don't know what he will be like if he makes it to the presidency but there is the argument that you have to make it to the top before you can effect change.

I have never seen one Libertarian concede their Libertarian values to garner votes before.  The definition of Libertarian is to stanchly hold to the freedom principals of the constitution. Every thing I see about Johnson, more so his running mate, stinks of leftist democrat... made democrat lite... 

There will be no rise of a 3rd party in this election.

There will be no rise of a 3rd party in this election.

but EEF said it's gonna  happen
 

There will be no rise of a 3rd party in this election.

I keed, I keed.  Well, mostly. . . 

Vote for Pedro.

I have never seen one Libertarian concede their Libertarian values to garner votes before.  The definition of Libertarian is to stanchly hold to the freedom principals of the constitution. Every thing I see about Johnson, more so his running mate, stinks of leftist democrat... made democrat lite...

Agreed, the more I find out about him the less I am interested. I don't know if he is lying to get votes ( possible) or if he is just running under the title of libertarian ( more likely) though. I still consider voting for Johnson as a way of sending a warning shot at Republicans not to stray from conservatism.

Agreed, the more I find out about him the less I am interested. I don't know if he is lying to get votes ( possible) or if he is just running under the title of libertarian ( more likely) though. I still consider voting for Johnson as a way of sending a warning shot at Republicans not to stray from conservatism.

So, you changed your stance from "Voting for the best candidate regardless of party" to "I'll vote for Gary Johnson to make a statement against Republicans?"

If you can compromise your wishy-washy principles to do that, then there is no reason you can't vote for Trump to help stop Hillary.

You're running out of excuses to not vote for Trump.

This Hawaii.  It doesn't matter who we vote for, a Democrat will be elected.
Even supposed "non-partisan" positions are Democrat.
Elections here are a joke.  Invest in preparations for self defense, survival,
and evasion from Federal, state and local governments.   

This Hawaii.  It doesn't matter who we vote for, a Democrat will be elected.
Even supposed "non-partisan" positions are Democrat.
Elections here are a joke.  Invest in preparations for self defense, survival,
and evasion from Federal, state and local governments.   

With the lazy turnouts we see here, it would not take a miracle to see Republicans overtake the Democrats simply by showing up to vote.  The attitude "What difference does it make?" keeps many people from even trying.

The only joke is people who refuse to vote, yet they type online comments nonstop bashing the elected officials they don't like.

This Hawaii.  It doesn't matter who we vote for, a Democrat will be elected.
Even supposed "non-partisan" positions are Democrat.
Elections here are a joke.  Invest in preparations for self defense, survival,
and evasion from Federal, state and local governments.   

Easier for you to do where you live. 

That and I wouldn't be able to go to work. . . Hey, I do have a lot of vacation time accrued though.