@OGC

Are you claiming that there is no distinction between you as a business entity (LLC or whatever) and you as a private citizen? And that any private actions you take as an individual not associated with the business are subject to retribution by our "public servants"?

I'm reading this as dark humor as unfortunately, the answer is unreservedly yes.  Anything I do personally has been treated as inseparable from the shop.  Tends to come with the territory as an FFL holder.

LGS are sympathetic to the cause, I know this and you know this, not one of them wants to deal with it or have its customers deal with it. The fact that some people won't buy guns because of it hurts there bottom line.

I have personally reached out to 4-5 stores and will be visiting more to let them know where things stand.

You have to remember that what they do is done under consent and any action they take can be retaliated upon and we all l ow that the current administration loves to do it

So please do me a favor and stop trying to drag them into a fight they can't be part off. ultimately they need to feed and take care of themselves and their family's. I personally am willing to take the bullet for this and wont hold It against them.

In fact I applaud OGC for being willing to post what they have, by far it's more then I would of expected and it shows how much they care for the firearms community and the rights that are involved.

Please support your local gun stores, even if you don't see them in the fight many of them are standing behind it.

How about the Hawaii Rifle Association? Or the associated Hawaii Citizens' Rights Political Action Committee?

I see nothing on the HRA website about anything having to do with any the Rapback law since their May 5 appeal to contact Ige re vetoing bills going to him, including Rapback. They just fold up the tent and chalk it up as a total loss after that?

I'm reading this as dark humor as unfortunately, the answer is unreservedly yes.  Anything I do personally has been treated as inseparable from the shop.  Tends to come with the territory as an FFL holder.

The following is a rhetorical question and I would not expect (nor want) you answer it in a public forum:

So you're saying that you have good reason to believe that government agencies/agents will take retributive action against you if you exercise your First Amendment (and possibility other) Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, especially in the most important area of protected speech, political speech?

The following is a rhetorical question and I would not expect (nor want) you answer it in a public forum:

So you're saying that you have good reason to believe that government agencies/agents will take retributive action against you if you exercise your First Amendment (and possibility other) Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, especially in the most important area of protected speech, political speech?

The term "they will  look for a reason to punish" comes to mind.

6 lawyers working on it.....

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/17828/Rifle-Association-Six-Lawyers-Working-on-Hawaii-lsquoRap-Backrsquo-Lawsuit.aspx

Doesn't matter because if a LGS pisses off the HPD, then they might "lose" some of their permits and that's their business (literally). OGC needs to stay in their good graces because I need to pick my rifle from you tomorrow.

As with most litigation, it's always advisable not to discuss ongoing legal action. This screws those of us who want to assist in any way. There's always donations of course.

The term "they will  look for a reason to punish" comes to mind.

I just came across this term right now in reading an article about a guy who shot three SWAT cops who used a flash bang grenade during a no-knock raid on his home (he wasn't the target of the warrant). He was acquitted of all charges. Various government "enforcement" agencies then went to the house and did some bad stuff. The term used: "targeted administrative vengeance".

6 lawyers working on it.....

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/17828/Rifle-Association-Six-Lawyers-Working-on-Hawaii-lsquoRap-Backrsquo-Lawsuit.aspx

That article and interview took place five and one-half months ago (July 6, 2016). What are those six lawyers doing? Has a lawsuit been filed? If so, why didn't they ask for a temporary injunction given that once people get entered into the system it's unlikely they'll ever be removed? Or is it some kind of clandestine operation so as not to tip the other side to any forthcoming legal strategy? (That would seem unnecessary as subjects of a lawsuit always have plenty of time to prepare their defense. See: Peruta: filed 10/29/2009; seven years and counting...). Or did they just fold up the tent and chalk it up as a total loss?

Mr. Gerwig in July: "We may see the courts looking at this. We'll see."

I know, I'm really impatient, but... I wanna see.

So I will say this and be done with it.

So we all live in fear of reprisals and what the government will do to us by standing up for our rights?   We have lost more than this battle if that is the stance that is taken.

Can't have litigation until someone has been physically, emotionally, or financially damaged. That's how the system works. London is a brave, brave man, but so are the many innovators who took risks and succeeded. It's the old, can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, including one's right to own firearms.

I still think that the argument against the Rapback system is included in the reasons for the 2nd Amendment in preventing a tyrannical government such as the Catholic King James II from disarming the Protestant populace. The argument goes that a tyrannical government has to first create a list of gun owners before they can be taken away. I'm researching it further.

That article and interview took place five and one-half months ago (July 6, 2016). What are those six lawyers doing? Has a lawsuit been filed? If so, why didn't they ask for a temporary injunction given that once people get entered into the system it's unlikely they'll ever be removed? Or is it some kind of clandestine operation so as not to tip the other side to any forthcoming legal strategy? (That would seem unnecessary as subjects of a lawsuit always have plenty of time to prepare their defense. See: Peruta: filed 10/29/2009; seven years and counting...). Or did they just fold up the tent and chalk it up as a total loss?

Mr. Gerwig in July: "We may see the courts looking at this. We'll see."

I know, I'm really impatient, but... I wanna see.

If anyone knows who those 6 lawyers are I'd love to know.

If anyone knows who those 6 lawyers are I'd love to know.

I just sent this to the contact us at HRA, we shall see what I get back.

Mr. Gerwig,

I am curious as to the status of HRA's position and current fight if any against the already enacted Rap Back bill? In this July 06, 2016 interview http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/17828/Rifle-Association-Six-Lawyers-Working-on-Hawaii-lsquoRap-Backrsquo-Lawsuit.aspx you claim there are "six lawyers working on it right now" what has become of their efforts are they still working on this now? Would you be able to disclose who any of these lawyers are? I ask because a private citizen is trying to self-fund a lawsuit against the Honolulu Police Department maybe his attorneys any the HRA's can join forces. Sir are you and any other HRA board members with the exception of Mr. Richter members on the website www.2ahawaii.com? If not I would recommend that you consider joining there is a lot of worthwhile discussion happening there such as this thread, https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25686.140 As an HRA member I would like to have the Association have a both a formal and informal presence there.

All the best,

dustoff

If anyone knows who those 6 lawyers are I'd love to know.

Does it violate "attorney client privilege" to reveal the attorney(s) in a case? This is some real "hush hush" stuff...

As an aside, "attorney client privilege" is the excuse... rationalization... legal justification given by HPD (Hawaii Police Department/Kubojiri) as to why they would not reveal any of the extant information in response to my formal UIPA and OIP appeal requests for information as to how they came to a ruling interpreting a portion of HRS 134 contradictory to HPD (Honolulu Police Department/Kealoha). I suspect that means that they can either 1. Send a note to the county counsel or even some private attorney that says "We're discussing how to respond to query "X" from a citizen, and/or 2. Have a phone line open to the county counsel's office while they discuss it and, voila, they can't reveal anything to the public because "attorney client privilege". So much for "transparency" and "accountability" of "our public servants". The irony in this case is that upon my initial inquiry they responded that they couldn't respond at that point because it was very important that the state laws are interpreted identically and consistently throughout the state... and they then rendered a decision in which they established that the law is NOT interpreted identically and consistently throughout the state. You can't make this stuff up folks...

So as many of you know I am moving forward with Legal Action against HPD, City and State with regards to Rapback, The implementation of which starts tomorrow December 5th 2016.

For those unfamiliar with Who I am, My Name is Andre Namiki Roberts, I am a permanent resident of the Untied states having moved here from the untied kingdom in 2006. In 2015 i Applied for a firearms permit and was denied based on a HPD policy that would require me to travel back to the untited kingdom to get a background check done on myself and provided it to them at my own expense (somewhere around $4000) This policy was made with the intention of denying non  citizens there 2nd amendment rights. I recognized the implication of what they were doing and confronted them, Over a peiod of 3 days i explained them them what they were doing was wrong. they would not budge, So i contacted a lawyer here in Hawaii who handles civil rights cases and we got working on a lawsuit. After approximately 3 months of work and a lawsuit in federal court,  HPD settled with me (whilst admitting no wrong doing) and as well as stooping the unconstitutional/illegal policy they also had to cover my legal expenses.
If you would like to read about this lawsuit you can do so here, http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30504334/uk-citizen-alleges-honolulu-police-depriving-his-gun-rights or see the actual lawsuit here http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Portals/0/Article%20Attachments/Roberts%20v%20Honolulu%202nd%20Amendment.pdf

Now why is this information important ?
I want you to know who i am, That im a real person who is willing to step up when needed to defend my rights (and those of others) I want you to see that im not going to hide behind an online Alias and that i am going to be upfront with thing. Why ? Because im going to ask for help. I have spoke to both Rick and Alan, the lawyers who helped me with my previous lawsuit and they are willing to again work with me to stop rap back. But to do so its going to cost money. The minimum amount given to me was $15k, Why so much ? This is going to be a long fight and lawyers have bills to pay. A lawsuit like this can drag on for months into years and although there is a very good chance we can stop rapback it may take some time.

Ways you can help
The biggest way you can help is with cold hard cash. I personally have put $500 in the kitty and so far have had another $300 pledged to help but we need more. You can donate direct to me
via paypal : a_roberts_84@yahoo.co.uk OR info@stoprapback.com
or
via mail you can make a check or money order payable to Andrew Namiki Roberts and mail it to Andrew Namiki Roberts, P.O. BOX 283182, Honolulu, HI 96828
or
In person, I am going to be making more effort to visit the range on weekends (usualy i go weekdays when its quite so no one laughs at me missing)

I am in the process of setting up a gofund me account But was given this notfication :
"The content of your campaign has led us to believe that you may be trying to raise money for a legal matter. You may view our terms and conditions here."
So i am waiting/looking into what caused this.

[Edit] Added GoFundMe Link from this thread https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25630.msg226820#msg226820

https://www.gofundme.com/stop-rapback-in-the-state-of-hawaii

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BUMPING this today.
Threw in another 20 bucks from RKLAPP via gofundme just now.

Donated. Do what you can. If you gotta eat home lunch a couple times a week to give a $100 why not?

It's not just for us, it's for the children too. 

I still have my items in the classifieds for sale for the rapback fund.  I dunno why no ones buying, you're basically getting free stuff for your donation.

Thanks for coming out to the HDF open shoot yesterday.
Hope you got some financial support.   

Thanks for coming out to the HDF open shoot yesterday.
Hope you got some financial support.

Thank you guys for the support, a few people gave something. I came out to shoot but it was nice to be able to talk to people and give people the chance to ask questions.

The city has shelled out millions of dollars in settlements, jury awards and legal fees relating to wrongdoing by Honolulu police officers.
The cases involve use of excessive force, endangering others and racist and sexist behavior, among other things.


Thanks to Wolfwood !!!