The city has shelled out millions of dollars in settlements, jury awards and legal fees relating to wrongdoing by Honolulu police officers.
The cases involve use of excessive force, endangering others and racist and sexist behavior, among other things.


Thanks to Wolfwood !!!     

It's our money that they are shelling out.


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better than going to P-card usage .

better than going to P-card usage .

so true!!!


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This is a good cause and fight. Have you approached any and all of the firearms shops and gun clubs to support this yet ?  They have the most to loose as this is just another deterrent to a would be new gun purchase. It seems it is just another hoop they want to put law abiding people through because it may be just enough to cause a new gun  purchaser to give up.

6 lawyers working on it.....

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/17828/Rifle-Association-Six-Lawyers-Working-on-Hawaii-lsquoRap-Backrsquo-Lawsuit.aspx

Okay, now another month has passed since HRA's Gerwig gave that interview on July 6, 2016. Could someone please direct me to the HRA legal strategy and actions? Or could someone at least post when the HRA legal action devised by those six attorneys succeeds so I can go renew my long gun permit? Thanks.

Okay, now another month has passed since HRA's Gerwig gave that interview on July 6, 2016. Could someone please direct me to the HRA legal strategy and actions? Or could someone at least post when the HRA legal action devised by those six attorneys succeeds so I can go renew my long gun permit? Thanks.

I have gotten no reply yet to the message I sent to the contact page on the HRA site.


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I have gotten no reply yet to the message I sent to the contact page on the HRA site.

Yeah, me either... that's why I was asking for information from someone other that HRA, as they appear to have no interest in responding to public requests for information. Or even acknowledging receipt of a public request for information. I mean, I'm used to having my requests (even formal UIPA requests) ignored by the county police departments, and state and county legislators. I guess I have to add HRA to the "they nokea" list. Actually I'm hoping that by me griping and complaining (without any knowledge of what is actually going on with the six attorneys) about their seeming indifference that I've invoked the "you're an idiot for ignorantly complaining" meme and that shortly the lawsuit will be announced... like maybe at 9 AM today.

Please remember that HRA is a volunteer run organization, people with full time jobs do this in their off time and also put in a lot of hours for range days, talking to legislators, fundraising and other activities.  They could probably use more official volunteers to take charge on issues like this.

They probably also have a very limited budget.  $20 annual membership fees for I'm guessing maybe 3,000 members doesn't go far for all of the activities they do.  I read an article about how the NRA operates.  People think they are successful because they have hundreds of millions of dollars for lobbying and legislation.  Truth is they don't have the big bank accounts most people think for lobbying and legislation.  NRA is very efficient and selective with their money and efforts and good with the media and getting support.  NRA only financially supports candidates and legislation that they believe can be won and support gun rights for the long term and bigger picture.  This is probably the reason they don't do a whole lot in the western states as it's a lost cause.

Please remember that HRA is a volunteer run organization, people with full time jobs do this in their off time and also put in a lot of hours for range days, talking to legislators, fundraising and other activities.  They could probably use more official volunteers to take charge on issues like this.

They probably also have a very limited budget.  $20 annual membership fees for I'm guessing maybe 3,000 members doesn't go far for all of the activities they do.

That may all be very true, however, I don't think that it is at all unreasonable to expect HRA to respond to inquiries regarding a public statement made by the head of the organization five months earlier about pending legal action when no such action was taken to prevent implementation of a database of gun owners. If Mr. Gerwig can make the time for an interview claiming to have "six attorneys looking at this", surely he can make the time to craft a one or two sentence email or press release updating Hawaii residents about the issue. But, I guess not.

That may all be very true, however, I don't think that it is at all unreasonable to expect HRA to respond to inquiries regarding a public statement made by the head of the organization five months earlier about pending legal action when no such action was taken to prevent implementation of a database of gun owners. If Mr. Gerwig can make the time for an interview claiming to have "six attorneys looking at this", surely he can make the time to craft a one or two sentence email or press release updating Hawaii residents about the issue. But, I guess not.

I get discouraged by non-responses too.  They have a bad email system, it just goes to individual members.  They should have a group email so that any of their directors can help answer questions.

I get discouraged by non-responses too.  They have a bad email system, it just goes to individual members.  They should have a group email so that any of their directors can help answer questions.

Im sorry but most of the e-mails they sent out are 3-4 days late and are just copys of the NRA e-mails o get anyway. The news letter mostly had unimportant stuff in it and anything worth reading was 2-3 months old already so was irrelevant. I understand they are a non profit but with 3k ish members at $20-$25 a go thats a lot money being stacked up somewhere.

I get discouraged by non-responses too.  They have a bad email system, it just goes to individual members.  They should have a group email so that any of their directors can help answer questions.

Who knows who it goes to if you use the contact us it goes to a general email I'd think. If you click on the Board of Directors tab then the contact me under anyone's name it takes you back to the general contact us page previously mentioned. That leads me to believe that it is a bulk or common email box, the only way you would get to a single person would be if you knew their individual email address.

Poor email system or not 2 going 3 weeks and no reply to my message sent on December 22, 2016 is upsetting in today's digital world.

I guess I have a mission to try to get on the HRA board or as a director when I get back on island.


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Who knows who it goes to if you use the contact us it goes to a general email I'd think. If you click on the Board of Directors tab then the contact me under anyone's name it takes you back to the general contact us page previously mentioned. That leads me to believe that it is a bulk or common email box, the only way you would get to a single person would be if you knew their individual email address.

Poor email system or not 2 going 3 weeks and no reply to my message sent on December 22, 2016 is upsetting in today's digital world.

I guess I have a mission to try to get on the HRA board or as a director when I get back on island.


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I have reached out to a director at HRA (and got in contact and had a conversation with) and will hopefully have something from them next week. Dont expect any major details but i should here something.

And just so you guys know. This is the first time i have reached out to HRA in regards to this subject. Not because i dont think they cant help or wouldent want their help but becasue they are slow to get on things. In less them a month i have managed to fund raise over $4500,

Not pointing out anyone in particular but guys, HRA is in essence a VOLUNTEER organization of other firearm enthusiasts like us.  Granted, they are not as well-funded and well-organized an organization as we'd like them to be... these folks have put in whatever spare time, energy and resources that they may have (on top of work and family obligations).  If you already know this, I apologize for bringing it up again but you know... it's true.

So if you have something you don't like about HRA, step up and volunteer for HRA instead to help change it.  They could use some good people's help.

Legislative session will start next week and I suspect that whatever manpower is available will be mostly geared towards that shortly.

Back to original topic, thanks London808 for reaching out to them.

So if you have something you don't like about HRA, step up and volunteer for HRA instead.  They could use some good people's help.

That is the plan JL. Thanks



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I have a question since a lot of you seem to know this rap back. If this lawsuit goes in our favor would they remove people that were entered into system for purchasing firearms and would there be compensation involved? Would it be like a class action lawsuit?

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I have a question since a lot of you seem to know this rap back. If this lawsuit goes in our favor would they remove people that were entered into system for purchasing firearms and would there be compensation involved? Would it be like a class action lawsuit?

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No, No, Unlikely

I sent a little through paypal.

Me too......

Just so every one knows we currently sit at 4626.93 from both the gofund me and paypal.

I am working on getting 2 tables for the gun show one for information about rapback and one for 12over6.com.

Can some one who has enrolled in rapback already and is willing to try something extremely unique and exciting please message me, Preferably some one that dosent mind challenging authority.