Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again (Read 156566 times)

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #320 on: July 21, 2017, 02:55:28 PM »
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Like hell!!!
Can you.....you know......Still get a 'tator?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #321 on: July 21, 2017, 02:57:56 PM »
I'm sensing ....(dang, can't use the word sensing cause that's a liberal word)  I see people admitting man-made climate change is a given, just immeasurable.

That's been stated starting about page 14 of this thread, not to mention numerous other threads on the same topic.

No "sensing" needed.  Just read the words people here have been posting.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=26782.msg235698#msg235698
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #323 on: July 21, 2017, 03:01:00 PM »
Can you.....you know......Still get a 'tator?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah. But my taters aren't as sensitive as they used to be.
(Hint, it's NOT my nuts)

Cool to know that. But there seem to be members who believe that

Can't we put technology into air scrubbing instead of wind,solar,hydro to eliminate the stench to an acceptable level?
But seriously (there it is again) what's more perfect than taking all the crap we consume and throw away and burning it to create a truly sustainable fuel ?

Members here seem to have knowledge of this. Answer?
Seems reasonable in light of this topic.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2017, 03:07:47 PM by aieahound »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #324 on: July 21, 2017, 03:16:09 PM »



Quote from: aieahound on Today at 02:13:58 PM

   


Quote from: aieahound on Today at 02:13:58 PM

   

I'm sensing ....(dang, can't use the word sensing cause that's a liberal word)  I see people admitting man-made climate change is a given, just immeasurable.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #325 on: July 21, 2017, 03:18:25 PM »
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« Last Edit: July 21, 2017, 03:32:34 PM by aieahound »

aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #326 on: July 21, 2017, 03:32:52 PM »

Cool to know that. But there seem to be members who believe that

Can't we put technology into air scrubbing instead of wind,solar,hydro to eliminate the stench to an acceptable level?
(I am impressed with electro taters.  :shake:)

But seriously (there it is again) what's more perfect than taking all the crap we consume and throw away and burning it to create a truly sustainable fuel ?
Members here seem to have knowledge of this. Answer?
Seems reasonable in light of this topic.

rklapp

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #327 on: July 21, 2017, 04:04:39 PM »
Cogen plants have very clean emissions but they are monitored by the EPA and enforced by the Clean Air Act which Trump is getting rid of so yeah, no regulations.

When I was working for a manufacturer, we shipped our hazardous waste to an incinerator in Arkansas because no one cares what gets burned in Arkansas. We probably did contribute to global warming. Who knows.
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Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

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aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #330 on: July 27, 2017, 10:08:14 PM »
Exactly. No effect.

So why not burn the one truly renewable resource we have.
Trash.
We don't need coal or oil, we have trash. Seriously.
(With souped up air scrubbers)
Gets rid of trash problem and fossil fuel problem. 2 birds, 1 stone.

Cars...nevermind electricity. .used cooking oil. We can grow it, cook with it and dispose of it. Renewable.

Nevermind just drill.
Just burn.  No effect.

Seriously. ( there it is again)

Note: the whole Al Gore thing is messed up. IMO.
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Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #331 on: July 28, 2017, 06:25:00 AM »
Exactly. No effect.

So why not burn the one truly renewable resource we have.
Trash.
We don't need coal or oil, we have trash. Seriously.
(With souped up air scrubbers)
Gets rid of trash problem and fossil fuel problem. 2 birds, 1 stone.

Cars...nevermind electricity. .used cooking oil. We can grow it, cook with it and dispose of it. Renewable.

Nevermind just drill.
Just burn.  No effect.

Seriously. ( there it is again)

Note: the whole Al Gore thing is messed up. IMO.
Hound,

I'm no expert in these fields. I only know what I have read or heard. So whatever I repeat here may or may not be wholly correct.

Burning trash, from my understanding, brings with it a whole new set of problems. For instance, power plants with scrubbers can only burn a certain type of trash so the scrubbers can be effective. Burn something that the scrubbers are not designed to deal with and you get more and different types of pollution. Also, there are a lot of trash types that power plants cannot burn such as metals and some plastics. Also, my understanding is that they have to be very careful what they burn as they can burn items that can make people sick. Maybe something like plastics, rubbers or heavy metals? All of this increases greatly the cost of burning trash due to having to separate the good from the bad items. So there will also always be items we cannot burn and must put into the landfill. So unfortunately this is not a perfect solution and we have to burn fossil fuels in order to supplement what trash cannot provide. Or actually, it is vice versa.

The high cost of recycling, IMHO, is the cost of separating the desirable from the undesirable items. I believe that unless recycling is taken to a huge scale it is not cost effective.

We do however, have LPG in abundance here in the U.S. As a matter of fact I believe we might have the world's largest supply of it. But we only have 75 or 80 years of it left. So converting to this clean burning fossil fuel is really only a short temporary solution.

Burning cooking oil in vehicles, to me, is a great solution but still not a perfect one. A company here in the U.S. makes a device that can take used cooking oil and process it so you can burn it in diesel vehicles. Only problem is that it takes electricity for a few hours to process it so it is not completely renewable. Plus there is the leftover sludge/crud/solids that has to be removed and it must be disposed of properly. So again, it fills up our landfills. But it would sure be cool driving down the H1 with everyone burning used cooking oil so the air smells like french fries or malasadas!!!   :love: :love: :love: 

BTW, I believe we still have a small enough population here in Hawaii that we could really cut down on our fossil fuel usage if we just make that necessary concerted effort. Which unfortunately is quite costly in time, effort and dollars.

My opinion is we can only slow down the inevitable. But we do have a couple hundred years of development and exploration before we run out. So we have the time. This is what pisses me off about the Al Gores and the global warming climate preachers. People believe the hysterics of the leftist Gores and climate preachers and become hysterical themselves. Which is what makes them sound so radical and nonsensical. It is not common sense when you allow your emotions to take over your argument about the planet.

Unfortunately, there is no perfect solution except maybe negative human population growth to the point that solar/wind/ocean current/algae/mac nut shells/trees/geothermal/burning trash can be used and renewed fast enough to maintain the small populations. Wars between larger countries will occur before that happens, however. We are past the point of no return IMHO. That is why we are countering with space exploration. It is thought that the solution to our problems lie on other planets. Maybe leading to a War of the Worlds type of scenario? Either we will be attacked or we will be the attackers. Or maybe a Twilight Zone favorite of mine "To Serve Man". :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #332 on: July 28, 2017, 07:34:29 AM »
Cars...nevermind electricity. .used cooking oil. We can grow it, cook with it and dispose of it. Renewable.
The United States uses 840,000,000 (840 Million) gallons of (fossil/geologically derived) oil per day. Approximately 51% of that is refined to gasoline to power vehicles: 428.4 MILLION GALLONS of cooking oil per day (assuming a one to one correspondence, which I doubt cooking oil is even close to matching the btu rating of gasoline) to power the existing gas powered vehicles. That's a LOT o' firggin' french fries (about 1 1/2 gallons per person per day... and I doubt those under the age of two will be able to keep up... meaning even higher consumption for the actual average)! I'm guessing a significant portion of the American population would very prematurely die of coronary artery diseases if they consumed enough fried foods to recycle enough cooking oil to fuel the vehicle fleet. Maybe that IS the solution! If we can get the average life expectancy down to 42 (or 30) maybe the population would be reduced enough to power the eventually greatly reduced number of vehicles. I suspect this could be accomplished via a government mandate the every person must prove that they daily consume at least one pound (more likely at least 2 or 3 pounds would be required) each of french fries and fried chicken (or other more exotic fried foods such as onion rings or fried green tomatoes). I'm sure Gore could add to his $300 Million net worth (thanks to his carbon tax/trading schemes) by inventing (in addition to the internet) an implantable chip what would automatically verify a person's daily fat intake and put them on double secret probation if they don't consume the societially-beneficial amount daily. I can hardly wait!

zippz

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #333 on: July 28, 2017, 07:48:52 AM »
HPower is more advanced than your standard trash incinerator in that it burns trash much hotter and scrubs the exhaust for toxic pollutants, therefore it can handle different types of waste versus generators that only use one kind of fuel like bagasse.  The other benefit is the ash it creates only takes up 10% of the space as regular trash in the landfills.  I believe they sort the trash and remove metals and glass which don't add energy to the process.  Makes sense for Oahu where we have a lot of trash in close vicinity, don't want to start another landfill, and have high energy costs.  Last I heard, they expanded HPower but don't have enough trash to feed it.  So I figure I just throw my cardboard and plastics in the trash for fuel since it costs a lot to ship those to the mainland for recycling.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 08:27:36 AM by zippz »

zippz

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #334 on: July 28, 2017, 07:59:39 AM »
For using vegetable oil, there isn't enough used stuff to do much with.  Best to just throw it into HPower for electricity.  Growing and producing biodiesel creates little added energy for the money, water, land, and pollution required.

aieahound

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #335 on: July 28, 2017, 08:25:59 AM »
Auright !

Question answered. And got a few chuckles too.

Thanks guys.

London808

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #336 on: July 28, 2017, 08:35:08 AM »
Science is to question everything until proven.  Please don't tell me you are still questioning that the earth isn't the center of the universe.  Or the sun revolves around the earth.  Or gravity exists.

Gravity is a theory.....
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

zippz

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #337 on: July 28, 2017, 03:44:00 PM »
Gravity is a theory.....

And technically the earth is at the center of the universe, and the sun does sort of revolve around the earth to a very small degree.

punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #338 on: August 01, 2017, 06:35:58 AM »
I wonder if the "97% of scientists" "consensus" is that this case, like the other recently reported one, concur with "officials" that the data "adjustments" were truly due to "equipment error" and that it's purely a coincidence that all the data from several "malfunctioning" recorders that was "adjusted" was all altered in the direction of making it appear as if temperatures were warmer than they actually were? So many coincidences!

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/australia-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

Australian scientists at the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) ordered a review of temperature recording instruments after the government agency was caught tampering with temperature logs in several locations.

Agency officials admit that the problem with instruments recording low temperatures likely happened in several locations throughout Australia, but they refuse to admit to manipulating temperature readings. The BOM located missing logs in Goulburn and the Snow Mountains, both of which are in New South Wales.
.....

Marohasey claimed at the time that BOM’s adjusted temperature records are “propaganda” and not science. She analyzed raw temperature data from places across Australia, compared them to BOM data, and found the agency’s data created an artificial warming trend.

Marohasey said BOM adjustments changed Aussie temperature records from a slight cooling trend to one of “dramatic warming” over the past century.

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #339 on: August 01, 2017, 06:45:45 AM »
I wonder if the "97% of scientists" "consensus" is that this case, like the other recently reported one, concur with "officials" that the data "adjustments" were truly due to "equipment error" and that it's purely a coincidence that all the data from several "malfunctioning" recorders that was "adjusted" was all altered in the direction of making it appear as if temperatures were warmer than they actually were? So many coincidences!

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/31/australia-weather-bureau-caught-tampering-with-climate-numbers/

Australian scientists at the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) ordered a review of temperature recording instruments after the government agency was caught tampering with temperature logs in several locations.

Agency officials admit that the problem with instruments recording low temperatures likely happened in several locations throughout Australia, but they refuse to admit to manipulating temperature readings. The BOM located missing logs in Goulburn and the Snow Mountains, both of which are in New South Wales.
.....

Marohasey claimed at the time that BOM’s adjusted temperature records are “propaganda” and not science. She analyzed raw temperature data from places across Australia, compared them to BOM data, and found the agency’s data created an artificial warming trend.

Marohasey said BOM adjustments changed Aussie temperature records from a slight cooling trend to one of “dramatic warming” over the past century.
All these liars getting caught now. It was only a matter of time. It's too bad that the lies were told and believed for so long that we have a whole generation of global warming believers.And no amount of truth and the liars getting caught red handed will change their minds.  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!