Are you guys okay with this? (Read 47430 times)

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2017, 08:08:18 PM »
The wall has to be Mexican ninja proof.


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westside22

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2017, 08:23:04 PM »
"The wall" is one thing but the Mexicans have become very clever with their tunnel work. I wonder how that will be delt with.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2017, 08:25:44 PM »
I guess you just don't have the intelligence to see the picture.  There are two holes in your boat one is causing 60+% of the water and one is causing 40-% of the water to come in.  Which do you patch first?
I've never ever said to delay it.  I literally been saying the opposite.  I said to do the wall this year or it will never happen.

Nothing intelligent about ignoring one hole to fix one other.  If you let one leak, you'll still sink, just slower.
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omnigun

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2017, 10:17:11 PM »
The cheapest effective way would be to be auto target sniper turrets that kill anything that moves in a 1 mile radius.  Probably would cost 100k per mile to install them. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2017, 10:47:08 PM »
The cheapest effective way would be to be auto target sniper turrets that kill anything that moves in a 1 mile radius.  Probably would cost 100k per mile to install them.



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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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omnigun

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2017, 10:51:38 PM »


Its called being facetious...

Though there is a reason why no one crosses the lower dmz zone between the koreas

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2017, 11:17:00 PM »
Its called being facetious...

Though there is a reason why no one crosses the lower dmz zone between the koreas

No one crosses?  Really?  What if I told you there have been many, both with and without permission of the governments?

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2017, 08:17:21 AM »
Just a simple chain link fence won't do much.  Maybe it would keep out those who are physically incapable of negotiating a simple fence, or those who are mentally incapable of figuring out a way through.  That said, an electrified fence with concertina all around the bottom and top of the fence would be more effective. . . and entertaining to watch people try to figure them out. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2017, 07:53:40 PM »
You sound just like EEF with the visas, digging and ladders.

Go figure!!   :rofl:

Great minds think alike.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2017, 08:01:49 PM »
So, where do you think people will start crossing if you secure the easier crossing points?  Maybe ...... the "parts of the border that aren't [easy to] cross?"

LOL!

Like underground tunnels maybe?

How about this as an alternative:

We go after the the root problem, those who create the demand. This is all simple economics really. People in America hire them which creates a market. If there is a demand then there will be a supply. Making it harder to find supply doesn't eliminate the demand and someone will always find a way to supply the demand. Stop the demand and you will greatly reduce those who have an incentive to come here. Increased penalties for those caught hiring illegal aliens. Actual jail time when someone knowingly hires an illegal alien perhaps?

Saying we need a wall is like saying we need more gun control to stop violence.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2017, 09:55:41 PM »
Like underground tunnels maybe?

How about this as an alternative:

We go after the the root problem, those who create the demand. This is all simple economics really. People in America hire them which creates a market. If there is a demand then there will be a supply. Making it harder to find supply doesn't eliminate the demand and someone will always find a way to supply the demand. Stop the demand and you will greatly reduce those who have an incentive to come here. Increased penalties for those caught hiring illegal aliens. Actual jail time when someone knowingly hires an illegal alien perhaps?

Saying we need a wall is like saying we need more gun control to stop violence.

That's ridiculous.  Many come here for the free benefits, not jobs.  And the demand aspect has been targeted only to have the Democrats weaken the laws so employers can't discriminate against illegals.  On top of that, it is a wide-spread problem for illegals to have fake IDs and credentials for getting hired.

Tightening up on the demand side could help in all aspects of illegals overstaying visas as well as sneaking in, but it's not going to be effective enough to significantly reduce trespassers.  We need the wall AND anything else you can come up with.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2017, 11:12:54 PM »
That's ridiculous.  Many come here for the free benefits, not jobs.  And the demand aspect has been targeted only to have the Democrats weaken the laws so employers can't discriminate against illegals.  On top of that, it is a wide-spread problem for illegals to have fake IDs and credentials for getting hired.

Tightening up on the demand side could help in all aspects of illegals overstaying visas as well as sneaking in, but it's not going to be effective enough to significantly reduce trespassers.  We need the wall AND anything else you can come up with.

 I realize actual implementation is more complicated than the idea but I think it is something we need to concentrate on. The problem should be tackled from a number of angles. Part of it is just enforcing what we do have on the books.

As for the wall, I don't think it will be effective enough to justify the cost, that is my bottom line.

Jl808

Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2017, 08:04:31 AM »
If you watch the DML videos on it, they estimate about 11 million illegals in the US now and growing.

The cost of illegal immigration on the social system (schools, ER visits, welfare assistance, Obamacare, crime, drugs), lost jobs for legal US citizens, and under-the-table untaxed income that goes back to Mexico are very real and significant and is speeding up the bankruptcy of the states where they reside.

The border is really porous and Obama's open policy to illegals made the policing of the borders much weaker.  There needs to be a correction and Trump needs to get it done.
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rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2017, 08:33:17 AM »
The border is really porous and Obama's open policy to illegals made the policing of the borders much weaker.  There needs to be a correction and Trump needs to get it done.
I understand when the supporters say we should build the wall because why wouldn't we. My concern is that I would rather spend a billion on improving border patrols and spend the rest of the $20B on building highways, bridges, and airports. I feel the only reason why Trump is focusing on the wall is because his base wants it so much. I think he will more likely be reelected if he builds infrastructure rather than the wall. To me, it's just another example of Trump focusing on his billionaire friends and continuing to make promises to the rust belt families.

If Trump is continuously blocked by the Democrats and Republicans in Congress, not to mention the Courts, does this make him an effective President or a bad deal maker?
(caveat, I was a Rubio supporter)
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ren

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2017, 09:10:04 AM »
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2017, 09:18:59 AM »
Like underground tunnels maybe?

How about this as an alternative:

We go after the the root problem, those who create the demand. This is all simple economics really. People in America hire them which creates a market. If there is a demand then there will be a supply. Making it harder to find supply doesn't eliminate the demand and someone will always find a way to supply the demand. Stop the demand and you will greatly reduce those who have an incentive to come here. Increased penalties for those caught hiring illegal aliens. Actual jail time when someone knowingly hires an illegal alien perhaps?

Saying we need a wall is like saying we need more gun control to stop violence.

that is so naive.
People come here because we have built something great. Generations before us built this country of freedom and security. We have to accept the fact that we are territorial. Like all other beings on this planet. We built it - we protect it.
Would you let some random stranger live in your beautiful house you have a mortgage on? Live with your family. Eat your food. ? Start with that microcosm of a perception then move on to the macro, bigger perspective of letting ILLEGAL persons come into this country.
I have no qualms with letting LEGAL persons come in like my grandparents did. They will certainly have a respect for this country and its laws.
You think that person who breaks into your house to get into your fridge, to sleep in your bed gives a shit about your freedom or security? Would you let that same person live with you till they can get an education or their own life in the United States?
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rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2017, 09:26:20 AM »
Why has the rate of illegal immigration declined since 2007?


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London808

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2017, 12:27:51 PM »
Solving the Mexican immigration problem is easy,

Obivioulsy if millions of them are fleeing to the USA becasue Mexico is so bad, We should invade mexico and provide them freedom, Take over the country and add them to the states.

Mexico has 31 states, We take them over and make America into a country with 81 states. This would solve multiple problems.

No need for illegal imigration, every mexican would now be american

We could finally stomp out drugs being imported across the mecian border,

We could target the cartels and destroy them using US law,

We would increase Americas land mass meaning more space for people,

We would own more farm land,

We woul have more ocean ports for trade,

We would decrease out imports,

ect........


Just to point out that Mexican cartels and drugs have killed more people im america then every terror attack combined. Why havent we invaded mexico ??


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punaperson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2017, 01:02:58 PM »
Solving the Mexican immigration problem is easy,

Obivioulsy if millions of them are fleeing to the USA becasue Mexico is so bad, We should invade mexico and provide them freedom, Take over the country and add them to the states.

Mexico has 31 states, We take them over and make America into a country with 81 states. This would solve multiple problems.

No need for illegal imigration, every mexican would now be american

We could finally stomp out drugs being imported across the mecian border,

We could target the cartels and destroy them using US law,

We would increase Americas land mass meaning more space for people,

We would own more farm land,

We woul have more ocean ports for trade,

We would decrease out imports,

ect........


Just to point out that Mexican cartels and drugs have killed more people im america then every terror attack combined. Why havent we invaded mexico ??
Yeah, and with the Second Amendment then applying to the whole (former) country the sole legal gun store for the whole country in Mexico City on the army base would be REALLY busy!

drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2017, 01:03:49 PM »
It was my understanding that a good number of illegal immigrants and cartel/gang related things also came from other countries or areas in Central and South America. Like MS13 are from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. That many come to the US via Mexico. So you'll just have another wall to build at the Mexico border with Guatemala and other countries. Although that border would be about half of the current Mexico/US border.


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