I was just sitting here with my tub of popcorn with extra heavy duty butter seeing where this went.

I just ran out of 

we need a loco-moco bowl eating smiley

we need a loco-moco bowl eating smiley

+1

Bottom line is whatever floats your boat go for it.
People are going to spend what they want until the govt controls you.

Bottom line is whatever floats your boat go for it.
People are going to spend what they want until the govt controls you.

I agree. For some people it's hard to accept that they spent 3000 on a rifle that shoots the same as a 600 rifle.  JK.... How is it that this is a gun forum but we don't have any gun toting smileys.

I agree. For some people it's hard to accept that they spent 3000 on a rifle that shoots the same as a 600 rifle.  JK.... How is it that this is a gun forum but we don't have any gun toting smileys.

I saw a guy in a Ferrari today, and I couldn't help but laugh. That idiot could have saved a lot of money by just buying a V-6 Mustang instead. There's no difference between Mustangs and Ferraris, it all comes down to the driver.

A while back I saw some idiots on tv climbing Mount Everest, and you should have seen all the money those dummies wasted on rope, tents, oxygen masks, etc.  You don't need nylon rope and super lightweight tents! It's all in the climber!

Anyway, have you ever priced out how cheap the bats and gloves are that major league baseball players use? Those guys understand that a stick is just a stick! People should really stop buying anything but the cheapest gear available; it all comes down to the person.

I saw a guy in a Ferrari today, and I couldn't help but laugh. That idiot could have saved a lot of money by just buying a V-6 Mustang instead. There's no difference between Mustangs and Ferraris, it all comes down to the driver.

A while back I saw some idiots on tv climbing Mount Everest, and you should have seen all the money those dummies wasted on rope, tents, oxygen masks, etc.  You don't need nylon rope and super lightweight tents! It's all in the climber!

Anyway, have you ever priced out how cheap the bats and gloves are that major league baseball players use? Those guys understand that a stick is just a stick! People should really stop buying anything but the cheapest gear available; it all comes down to the person.

Woop, woop, woop...


Sarcasm meter is tingling.

a fool and his money are soon parted......... then that same fool is at the range with a 2k ar with a  1.5 k scope and pmags shooting wolf ammo


i think the original intent of this thread was more towards people pushing highend ars on new shooters that dont know any better.... but people taking it personnally is way more interesting

Woop, woop, woop...


Sarcasm meter is tingling.

I thought I saw my sarcasm gauge spiking..

popcorn any one I just made a big ass tube with 100% clog your arteries butter. this is getting good.

a fool and his money are soon parted......... then that same fool is at the range with a 2k ar with a  1.5 k scope and pmags shooting wolf ammo


i think the original intent of this thread was more towards people pushing highend ars on new shooters that dont know any better.... but people taking it personnally is way more interesting

i think ghost said it perfectly in his first part...

the shooter dictates the ability... and definatly people push high end ARs to new shooters... and thats retarded.



but... (get your out... lol. here is my foot.... driving into my mouth again... lol)

even though im not into cars... saying that a mustang can outdrive a farrari... or a suped up honda civic is bettter then a subaru WRX... or a climber with a tent verses a climber with no tent... or a shooter with a LWRC verses a shooter with a stock AR.... is still dumb!!!!




what you MEAN to say is that a shooter dictates the ability's...




a good driver is gonna drive a mustang better then a novice with a fararri... or a good driver is gonna drive a honda better then a novice with a WRX... a good climber/outdoors man will be able to do better and last longer then ME with every gadget known to man! AND a good shooter $600 AR... will outshoot a novice with his noveske/LWRC/REPER .50 cal heatseeking/guided rifle!!!!     lol


a shooter dictates the ability!!!! dont confuse that with saying better gear is not as good as less quality gear!!!!




dont "knock" high end builds just because they are high end...  if you shoot with a $600 AR.... and you see no difference shooting it... with a high end AR... to me..........     lol

that just shows your ability...   and yes... lol stick with your $600 AR untill you are able to see the differance in accuracy...

(oh gosh im gonna get kicked off this forum and i dont even have 20 posts....lol)

but really... i say this from experiance from a friend of mine that shot my AR and his AR and couldnt tell the differance...

he simply couldnt tell because with his abilitys... he couldnt shoot more accuratly then the lower grade gun

so NO... no matter how you wanna try to put it.... a $600 AR CAN NOT OUTSHOOT A $2000 AR.

hehe 

i think ghost said it perfectly in his first part...

the shooter dictates the ability... and definatly people push high end ARs to new shooters... and thats retarded.



but... (get your out... lol. here is my foot.... driving into my mouth again... lol)

even though im not into cars... saying that a mustang can outdrive a farrari... or a suped up honda civic is bettter then a subaru WRX... or a climber with a tent verses a climber with no tent... or a shooter with a LWRC verses a shooter with a stock AR.... is still dumb!!!!




what you MEAN to say is that a shooter dictates the ability's...




a good driver is gonna drive a mustang better then a novice with a fararri... or a good driver is gonna drive a honda better then a novice with a WRX... a good climber/outdoors man will be able to do better and last longer then ME with every gadget known to man! AND a good shooter $600 AR... will outshoot a novice with his noveske/LWRC/REPER .50 cal heatseeking/guided rifle!!!!     lol


a shooter dictates the ability!!!! dont confuse that with saying better gear is not as good as less quality gear!!!!




dont "knock" high end builds just because they are high end...  if you shoot with a $600 AR.... and you see no difference shooting it... with a high end AR... to me..........     lol

that just shows your ability...   and yes... lol stick with your $600 AR untill you are able to see the differance in accuracy...

(oh gosh im gonna get kicked off this forum and i dont even have 20 posts....lol)

but really... i say this from experiance from a friend of mine that shot my AR and his AR and couldnt tell the differance...

he simply couldnt tell because with his abilitys... he couldnt shoot more accuratly then the lower grade gun

so NO... no matter how you wanna try to put it.... a $600 AR CAN NOT OUTSHOOT A $2000 AR.

hehe 

Woop, woop, woop

My "Damn, this guy likes to hear himself talk" meter is tingling. 

a $600 AR CAN NOT OUTSHOOT A $2000 AR.

I still disagree! 

It is just like a car. It's the nut behind the Wheel or Trigger that counts!

BTW: What is your definition of OUTSHOOT?

I had a contest back in the day at the Honolulu Gun Club.  We took a POS $50 Bryco 25ACP and each participant had only 5 shots. (1 practice sessions 5 rounds each person before the Final)
The target was at 40 Feet.  Ed Masaki won.  All 5 shots went in the X-Ring.  I couldn't believe it.  It's all about how you use it. Not what it is. Any gun can be accurate and if the bullet hits you.
You will either be hurt or dead.  Respect the gun.

I saw a guy in a Ferrari today, and I couldn't help but laugh. That idiot could have saved a lot of money by just buying a V-6 Mustang instead. There's no difference between Mustangs and Ferraris, it all comes down to the driver.

A while back I saw some idiots on tv climbing Mount Everest, and you should have seen all the money those dummies wasted on rope, tents, oxygen masks, etc.  You don't need nylon rope and super lightweight tents! It's all in the climber!

Anyway, have you ever priced out how cheap the bats and gloves are that major league baseball players use? Those guys understand that a stick is just a stick! People should really stop buying anything but the cheapest gear available; it all comes down to the person.

Just because you drive a Ferrari does not make you a better driver. The mustang still gets the driver from point a to point b in the same amount of time. The mustang does it better because it is cheaper on gas and the maintance is way cheaper. 

40 years ago people climbed mount Everett with regular ropes and regular tents. Most of the records were set then.

Why is it that many of the famous major league baseball players still use the same WOOD BAT that has not changed its design in many years.

The next Puuloa Match is 25 March if anyone wants see how their hardware holds up at 600 yards.

Talk is cheap. An NRA 800 aggregate course is $30 and takes 88 rounds of ammo.

wow 

in that case i really did just wast my breath lol.

you keep saying stuff like "i took a beater old crappy gun a shot it better then 'this guy' with his high end AR"

i am not saying YOU are not a good shooter!!!! you probably are amAZing... especially if you took that .25ACP and did good with it.
you are an amazing shooter im not doubting your abiblitys...

im just saying your line of reasoning is not correct when your talking about gear

and ANYone that doesnt agree with the few things ive posted... well... 


as far as im concerned this thread is    lol

and talk IS cheap... whoever it was that mentioned that... i would invite ANYone on here that doesnt agree with me about this to meet up at the range and compare shot groups with a junky AR and a quality AR and if you cant see the difference in your groups... dont worry... you will when i shoot my groups     lol

For the purpose of discussion, let's take the shooter out of the equation as much as possible.  I don't care who could beat who at what, or with what.  Take a finely-tuned, high-end AR (Teichi probably has one...  lol) and shoot, say, ten five-shot groups for an average.  Then take an el-cheapo rifle and do that same thing; your groups will open up with the lower quality rifle.  That's all I've been trying to say this entire time; someone, probably lots of someones, could beat me with a cheap rifle, but they'll beat me even worse with a good one.  That's why a $2,000 AR is better than a $600 AR, and that's what you're paying the extra $1400 for.  Is it possible that one specific cheap AR could outshoot another specific high-end one?  Of course, but that's completely anecdotal and irrelevant, not to mention very, very rare.  If you drop two grand on a LaRue OBR, it's virtually impossible that you won't see an improvement in your group size over your bargain bin AR. 

I really don't know what's so hard to comprehend about this.  Ferrari is better than Mustang, the Abrams tank is better than the T-72, and high-end ARs are better than cheap ones. 

The question is not whether LaRue, Noveske, et al, are better than the competition, it's whether those rifles are worth the extra money.  They may or may not be; if you're just going to bring it to HDF fun shoots and blast targets on the run from fifteen yards away, they're probably not.  But if you're going to painstakingly develop the optimum handloaded ammo and take Teichi up on his offers to compete in the Puuloa matches, it probably is. 

.................so NO... no matter how you wanna try to put it.... a $600 AR CAN NOT OUTSHOOT A $2000 AR.

hehe 

Feed your $4,000 AR junk ammo and it will shoot like.............well.............junk................

It's not a simple argument.  There are points made both ways about this situation.

Speaking of AR's, I just built a sweetie.
Pics coming soon 

Are f class shooters invited to march 25 match?  I'm assuming everyone is talking about an ar with optics so that would be f class right?  556 or 308.  If everyone here is talking about rifles with irons then no prob.  Appropriate for march 25.  Would be nice to get more ar company in f class.  Outnumbered by bolt 308 guys.  I know I'm not competitive with my rifle but hey, 200 yards further than Kokohead.  Need to bring at least 22 rounds of 77 grainers though for the 600.  55 grainers go subsonic somewhere around 4-500 yards.  They just end up flying all over the place after that.  Anyone interested in going?  I'm lazy and like to lie down all day that's why I do f class.  The iron sights guys do way too much work standing and sitting and standing and prone.  Puuloa rifle and pistol club has info on their site.