Here we go, the sound of liberal heads exploding is like popcorn.

http://fox6now.com/2017/07/26/pres-trump-transgender-people-will-not-be-allowed-to-serve-in-any-capacity-in-the-us-military/

Sorry if already posted, did not see it.

Here we go, the sound of liberal heads exploding is like popcorn.

http://fox6now.com/2017/07/26/pres-trump-transgender-people-will-not-be-allowed-to-serve-in-any-capacity-in-the-us-military/

Sorry if already posted, did not see it.

You mean some one with a mental disorder can't serve in the military Who would of thought

Was reading some of the comments on HNN.  Talk about :facepalm: 

I had a friend ask me about this because all he read was "transgender banned" and never thought more.  So I asked him the following questions if they were allowed:

1) What standard will they be held to (male or female)
2) If above standard is chosen, and they choose to ID differently, are they re-tested
3) Certain jobs don't allow certain genders, so what then
4) Who will person live with if in the barracks and use restrooms
5) What happens if person went MIA and you need to ID remains.  DNA is either male or female depending what you're born with. 
6) Regarding above, what do you put on medical records
7) Same situation as above but person is hostage, intel will tell people to look for 1 sex due to medical records, but opposite will be present.
8 ) We paid for Chelsea Mannings treatments and he was convicted of a crime, do we have to pay for all others
9) Will people take advantage of the lower standard to pass certain schools (female standard), then change ID back to male
10) Can hormone treatments continue if deployed, and if yes, what happens if individual needs to go on a 2 week mission while in the middle of a treatment
11) AND FINALLY, ACLU WILL SUE GOVERNMENT IF ANY OF THE ABOVE ARE VIOLATED.  SO THAT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS

Then my friend said "oh, I never thought that far ahead about the issue".   Now he supports Trumps decision.

Slippery slope.

Goods points Change.

Is he continuing what Obama did ?
Divide the Country ?

Obama drove in the wedge ( one way but but started the log to split nonetheless)
Is Trump driving in the wedge even further ? (heartwood (old growth) fighting back but sapwood (younger and still growing) has leverage)
Both being split. Wedge being driven deeper.

How is this resolved?
Transgender units ? (Segregation)

Note: I believe being in the Military is a privilege not a right. God bless our folks who volunteer.
But if a draft came along, would the Canadian flee'ers just claim transgender ?

On another note more on point:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kristin-beck-transgender-navy-seal-144339198.html

""Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right.""

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said.

http://fox6now.com/2017/07/26/pres-trump-transgender-people-will-not-be-allowed-to-serve-in-any-capacity-in-the-us-military/

John McCain, the Arizona Republican and Vietnam War hero, said Trump was simply wrong.

“Any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving,” he said. “There is no reason to force service members who are able to fight, train and deploy to leave the military — regardless of their gender identity.”

Not everyone at the Capitol agreed.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, said, “The president’s decision was the absolute right decision. … It’s about time that a decision is made to restore the warrior culture and allow the U.S. military to get back to business.”

Shane Ortega, a 30-year-old retired staff sergeant in Los Angeles, said he’s concerned more for civilians than transgender troops.

Ortega, who transitioned to male while serving in the Army and served combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, said, “When Donald Trump attacks what America calls its heroes or its warrior class, it means it’s only a matter of time before he starts attacking and disassembling the American public, and that’s what I have the most fear of.”

The Democrats ran on transgender "rights" the last 5 elections and lost all 5 times at every level of government.

Transgenders have an extremely high rate of suicide, and now we want to add them to the high rate of military suicides, too?

Transgenders often change their minds and transition back to their biological gender.  Is the tax payer supposed to cover the medical costs for hormonal therapy, psychological counseling, and surgery?  Twice?

How many people thinking of transitioning will join the military in a non-combat unit to get free medical to pay for the process?

Talk about a slippery slope.  Should the military throw all standards out the window so anyone wanting free medical treatment for existing conditions can join?

Here we go, the sound of liberal heads exploding is like popcorn.

LOL. I almost had to spit my drink out. I think that's the best part of this whole thing is the Killary crowd losing their minds.

And many Republicans:

 Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said on CNN’s “Newsroom” Wednesday that he believes everyone should be able to serve, but added that he wanted to look into the policy further before making a final judgment.

“I think you ought to treat everybody fairly and you ought to give everybody a chance to serve,” said Shelby, who serves on the Senate Defense Appropriations Committee.

Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., told a Vox reporter, “I don’t agree with the president” about transgender people in the military.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, also came out against the ban, stating, “I don’t think we should be discriminating against anyone.”

Hatch continued: “Transgender people are people, and deserve the best we can do for them. I look forward to getting much more information and clarity from our military leaders about the policy the President tweeted today.”

Joni Ernst, R-Iowa,
She believes what is most important is making sure service members can meet the physical training standards, and the willingness to defend our freedoms and way of life,” Ernst’s spokesperson told the Des Moines Register. “While she believes taxpayers shouldn’t cover the costs associated with a gender reassignment surgery, Americans who are qualified and can meet the standards to serve in the military should be afforded that opportunity.”

Note : none of the above are my words.
I only said:   (Oh and that many Republican heads are also exploding)

Slippery slope.

Goods points Change.

Is he continuing what Obama did ?
Divide the Country ?

Obama drove in the wedge ( one way but but started the log to split nonetheless)
Is Trump driving in the wedge even further ? (heartwood (old growth) fighting back but sapwood (younger and still growing) has leverage)
Both being split. Wedge being driven deeper.

How is this resolved?
Transgender units ? (Segregation)

Note: I believe being in the Military is a privilege not a right. God bless our folks who volunteer.
But if a draft came along, would the Canadian flee'ers just claim transgender ?

Anyone ever have teeth (other than wisdom teeth) pulled by a military doctor?  They will pull the teeth for free, but if you want a prosthetic replacement tooth, it's considered elective.  They don't cover elective procedures unless the condition is "significant", such as being unable to eat.  A single missing tooth near the front is a cosmetic condition, and therefore not covered.  Active duty must pay out  of pocket for the replacement tooth.

So, unless someone can explain how transitioning to the opposite gender is medically necessary due to some significant medical condition, then Trump is correct.  As long as what you currently have installed works, I can't see where the government should be forced to continue paying for a self-induced medical treatment.

I don't have the numbers in front of me but transgender individuals suffer significantly higher rates of suicide IIRC and even having sex changes does not solve their problem. Because of these unfortunate mental health issues (outside of whether gender dysphoria itself is a mental disorder) I think there is valid concern in having a transgender person in a combat role.

I don't have the numbers in front of me but transgender individuals suffer significantly higher rates of suicide IIRC and even having sex changes does not solve their problem. Because of these unfortunate mental health issues (outside of whether gender dysphoria itself is a mental disorder) I think there is valid concern in having a transgender person in a combat role.

It's not just about combat roles.  it's about allowing someone to go on active duty with full medical coverage, knowing they are, or are planning to, transition to another gender.  The cost, time away from work, and unit team building is impacted if you bring on a member knowing they want an elective medical procedure.

How does having a transgender enlist benefit the government?  I think the cost would be greater than the benefit compared to enlisting someone without significant self-image issues.

It's not just about combat roles.  it's about allowing someone to go on active duty with full medical coverage, knowing they are, or are planning to, transition to another gender.  The cost, time away from work, and unit team building is impacted if you bring on a member knowing they want an elective medical procedure.

You are drawing a hard lone that trannys are committed to having their junk carved up.

Dunno about the spectrum of this mental illness, but suspect it runs from cross-dressers that have no interest in homo-sex, to the truly disturbed that like to role play as the opposite sex (typical male homosexual?), and finally to those that are itching to be mutilated. 

The last are very disturbed and should in no way be put in a position of trust.   They are clearly very ill and unpredictable.  the suicide rates show this.  They could easily take other troops with them.  Look at the chaos and death Bergdahl caused.

Basic homos should just keep it in the closet and carry on without disruption to the unit.  They have been doing that far ages until "acting out" became approved by Obozo.

You are drawing a hard lone that trannys are committed to having their junk carved up.

Dunno about the spectrum of this mental illness, but suspect it runs from cross-dressers that have no interest in homo-sex, to the truly disturbed that like to role play as the opposite sex (typical male homosexual?), and finally to those that are itching to be mutilated. 

The last are very disturbed and should in no way be put in a position of trust.   They are clearly very ill and unpredictable.  the suicide rates show this.  They could easily take other troops with them.  Look at the chaos and death Bergdahl caused.

Basic homos should just keep it in the closet and carry on without disruption to the unit.  They have been doing that far ages until "acting out" became approved by Obozo.

You're drawing a hard line that I'm only referring to males transitioning to females.  Surgery can include breast augmentation, plastic surgery to reduce an Adam's Apple, increase cheekbones, etc.  Transitioning to male can include beast reductions/mastectomies and other plastic surgeries to remove feminine features.




I always refer back to Bill Clinton as an example of "what people believe" versus "what people know." 

Bill Clinton campaigned on the issue of gays serving openly in the military.  He was adamant that there's no reason for gays to have to stay "hidden" while serving.  Then he was elected and signed an EO to allow gays to openly serve.

After a few weeks passed, and several active duty gays "came out" officially, President Clinton went on a tour of an aircraft carrier.  He visited the bunk area, and was suddenly aware of one of the issues first hand how being openly gay in the Navy might not be a good thing.

He immediately modified his EO to, "don't ask, don't tell," which screwed over the ones who jumped the gun and made their orientation formally known.

What people believe about Transgender rights in a military setting might not fly in realty.

You are drawing a hard lone that trannys are committed to having their junk carved up.

Dunno about the spectrum of this mental illness, but suspect it runs from cross-dressers that have no interest in homo-sex, to the truly disturbed that like to role play as the opposite sex (typical male homosexual?), and finally to those that are itching to be mutilated. 

The last are very disturbed and should in no way be put in a position of trust.   They are clearly very ill and unpredictable.  the suicide rates show this.

That kind of explains the suicide rate. And I'm not trying to be antagonistic. Just think about it.

Good article:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/26/why-forcing-the-military-to-pay-for-sex-changes-would-be-disastrous/
"
In July, the House of Representatives voted down Missouri Republican Rep. Vicky Hartzler’s amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, which would have banned the military from funding such treatments.

Paying for transition-related surgeries for military service members and their families is beyond comprehensible.

Perhaps they have forgotten that our military was forged to be the world’s strongest fighting force, not a government-funded, politically correct, medical sex change clinic for people with gender dysphoria."

Isn't the House Republican majority ?

I agree, it's elective treatment/surgery and the government shouldn't fund it.

I don't have the numbers in front of me but transgender individuals suffer significantly higher rates of suicide IIRC and even having sex changes does not solve their problem. Because of these unfortunate mental health issues (outside of whether gender dysphoria itself is a mental disorder) I think there is valid concern in having a transgender person in a combat role.

Ben Shapiro says the suicide rate is 40% in transexuals. Here is a video where Shapiro argues against transgender and abortion. While I don't agree with his views regarding abortion, he has a very strong argument against being transgendered.

Klinger was the best character on MASH IMHO. 

I see all these comments on HNN, social media, etc about having empathy for people's feelings.  Yeah, I certainly have empathy for people's feelings, but IMO, there's a time and a place for that.  What is the primary purpose/mission for the military?  Is it to provide a safe haven for folks to "fine themselves" or "express themselves"? 

Like when it came to the election, it's not about D vs R.  It's not about men vs women.  It's not about Color A vs Color B.  To me, it's about what you think is right for America and what will give you the best opportunity to live the life you want to live.  Will this decision make the US Military better able to fulfill it's mission?  I believe yes, but that is just my opinion.