Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas (Read 80549 times)

Bunker

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2017, 08:34:13 PM »
Doesn't seem accurate enough...


I don't think you need to worry about accuracy when you have thousands of targets. It probably wouldn't be that hard with all of the targets in the open, even if the distance is beyond the weapons effective range or the capability of the gismo.

Heavies

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2017, 08:36:13 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/dpetrowski/videos/10214330740848244/

doesn't look like strobe lights to me.  sound lag to flashes..  no where near the 32 floor

???

Bushido

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2017, 08:36:22 PM »
The lower flash's were strobe lights. You could see them going on 5 hours latter in news footage showing the front of the hotel.

https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoicetv/videos/988246407989467/

Don't know if this will show up. Is this the strobes you mentioned?

macsak

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2017, 08:43:08 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/dpetrowski/videos/10214330740848244/

doesn't look like strobe lights to me.  sound lag to flashes..  no where near the 32 floor

???

i don't see any flashes, heavies

zippz

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2017, 08:47:01 PM »
i don't see any flashes, heavies

It's the very faint light just to the left of the vertical lighted sign, about halfway up the sign.

Most likely reflections

Bunker

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2017, 08:48:44 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/dpetrowski/videos/10214330740848244/

doesn't look like strobe lights to me.  sound lag to flashes..  no where near the 32 floor

???
Is that smoke? Doesn't really look like muzzle flash for every round though, that is if one is to assume that? Not discarding anything but very interesting?

Bushido

zippz

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2017, 08:53:56 PM »
What's the strategy when faced with a situation like this?  I read that people dropped into the prone out in the open, which doesn't help when faced with a shooter above you.

Stay away from large groups of people, run to cover or concealment (food booths, banners, bleachers, etc), and try to get out of the area as fast as you can.

Bushido

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2017, 09:09:35 PM »
My initial thought would be to get to cover. Concealment is better than being in the open but they are probably just spraying. interested in hearing thoughts

2ahavvaii

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2017, 10:01:29 PM »
I don't think you need to worry about accuracy when you have thousands of targets. It probably wouldn't be that hard with all of the targets in the open, even if the distance is beyond the weapons effective range or the capability of the gismo.

Also supposedly the shooter used some sort of stand setup as well. The news didn't specify what it was, I'd imagine some sort of bipod or something.

2ahavvaii

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2017, 10:03:49 PM »
What's the strategy when faced with a situation like this?  I read that people dropped into the prone out in the open, which doesn't help when faced with a shooter above you.

Stay away from large groups of people, run to cover or concealment (food booths, banners, bleachers, etc), and try to get out of the area as fast as you can.

The problem is there was a lot of confusion initially, and people didn't know the shooting was coming from above.  If it's driveby style shooting, then dropping to the ground makes more sense.  If you're being ambushed by someone with the (very) high ground, best bet is to take cover or run I think.  The problem with simply taking cover is that unless youre hiding behind something pretty sturdy or drops you out of the line of fire completely, the cover will provide mostly concealment and not real protection, which doesnt help much against indiscriminate spraying.

Garuda

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2017, 10:05:46 PM »
Sister lived in Vegas, Just moved home last year. She would have been there, has a lot of friends who were there.  One friend got grazed in the head, another was carrying injured to the hospital in his vehicle.

Another, an Iraq veteran who was there, is saying there was more than one shooter.

2ahavvaii

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2017, 10:11:56 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/dpetrowski/videos/10214330740848244/

doesn't look like strobe lights to me.  sound lag to flashes..  no where near the 32 floor

???

Is that window broken?  Other pictures from the daytime only show the 32 floor windows broken.  probably reflection, the building curves inwards.

RSN172

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2017, 02:41:47 AM »
What's the strategy when faced with a situation like this?  I read that people dropped into the prone out in the open, which doesn't help when faced with a shooter above you.

Stay away from large groups of people, run to cover or concealment (food booths, banners, bleachers, etc), and try to get out of the area as fast as you can.
Some people crawled under parked cars.  Helps if you are skinny.
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zippz

Drakiir84

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2017, 07:09:20 AM »
First step is to move to cover, a building if possible.  Do your best to identify where the shots are coming from and put a building between you and the shooter.  Dropping to the ground is the absolute worst thing you can do in an elevated shooter situation.  If you're prone you're putting your vital organs in line with shrapnel from the bullet heads.  Move and cover, move and cover.
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shdws

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2017, 08:21:06 AM »
Looks to have a bump fire stock on the 2nd rifle :grrr:

Yea and the other is a Daniel Defense.  I have that one  :(

ren

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2017, 08:33:13 AM »
All of a sudden all these anti 2a types are firearm experts / SMEs  :grrr:
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drck1000

Re: Active Shooter(s) -- Las Vegas
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2017, 09:10:50 AM »
All of a sudden all these anti 2a types are firearm experts / SMEs  :grrr:
That and all the "Muskets were what the 2a is based on when written, so why do people need AR-15 rifles? Time to revise the 2a." kind of memes.