I can see the viability in a govt function but in commercial venues the presence of "snipers" wouldn't fit into environment of a commercial show or concert.
Who would pay for these personnel?
With freedom there are risks. We are falling to the echoes of  "there is something we can do". Accept the risks. Empower citizens.

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What is the difference between an armed security guard mingling in the crowd and an armed security guard in an overwatch position?

Using the term "auto" plays into the lies, misinformation, and hysteria

It's different

Much like the use of the term "modified" that the media is throwing around
People believe that he made his rifle full auto
What he did was add a modification that is legal in all 50 states

We know the difference and should not use anything other than the correct terminology


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I look at the end result, what is the end result of shooting automatic versus a bumpfire stock, not how it's called, how it works, or how it's done.

It's good to see things from different perspectives and points of view.

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What is the difference between an armed security guard mingling in the crowd and an armed security guard in an overwatch position?

Armed security is a dime a dozen, a sniper has a rare skillset that requires a lot of training, discipline, and responsibility and in turn requires a much higher price while there aren't many of them out there.

Armed security can also do a lot of other things besides responding to an active shooter.  Take care of other crimes, crowd control, first aid, etc.  Sniper is very limited to responding to active shooters, and provide observation.

Armed security is a dime a dozen, a sniper has a rare skillset that requires a lot of training, discipline, and responsibility and in turn requires a much higher price while there aren't many of them out there.

Armed security can also do a lot of other things besides responding to an active shooter.  Take care of other crimes, crowd control, first aid, etc.  Sniper is very limited to responding to active shooters, and provide observation.

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I posed the question because ran felt uncomfortable with "snipers" at large outdoor venues.
No doubt that a sniper should have Leo or military experience. I don't know how rare that skillset is though.
Don't a lot of beat cops carry rifles in their cars?

Keep in mind that if a Hotel hires snipers, then it wouldn't have much good for the hotel that's hiring them because the sniper can't see below the roof. Unless they're stationed at a different building on the property.  So itt would help the hotels across the street more.  So all the hotels would have to come to a mutual agreement to protect each other.

It's good to see things from different perspectives and points of view.

Yes it is

But it is not good to say things that are patently false


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What is the difference between an armed security guard mingling in the crowd and a lawful armed private citizen mingling in the crowd ?

 

A sniper is a profession. A sniper is more than a skilled shooter. A private sniper hired by a business presents a lot of liability concerns. How would you feel going to a presumed safe concert with snipers? How would others feel? In the Mandalay incident thats a helluva shot. Cold bore at an elevated position with unknown wind conditions.

"  Kinda like when people say clip vs magazine.  Technically it's different, but results are the same and we know what they're talking about."

Really Z'ster ?
You of all people, you're supposed to be an instructor ! 

Yes it is

But it is not good to say things that are patently false


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It effectively means the same thing, so it's to ok to use the term "automatic rounds" by your definition, Zippz?

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I'm no expert in anything, but that Donkey sure sounded like he was firing rounds automatically.

Heads...

It does make me cringe everytime I hear the "experts" talk about the guns here.  Well, I am not certain of all the facts, there's a big difference in the terminology here and for those who understand it may not be a big deal.  However, for the millions who don't know the difference, that kind of misuse of terminology does nothing but spread fear.  Just like the term "assault weapon".

To clarify, when I said "talk about guns here", the here meant the "experts" discussing the event in online articles and videos.  Not here as in this site.   

Inconsistencies and go...
For me is how did his feet get under the rifle and he's laying on another? He would have to have been sitting. In second pic how did the pistol land so far over his head if he shot in mouth pointing up?
Thought about it and conclusion Leo probably kicked it to clear perp. Due to blood trail and blood on gun. But position still open.

See here is another inconsistencie
He took the time to stack mags neatly but none of the firearms are organized ...the bipod AR are not bump stocked so obviously he did NOT use those. The one that is with the surefire mag is not by him. And what the hell is that blue tube??? I mean you would think that if you were setting up you would have your bangers lined up and mags set up at each NOT stacked neatly in a corner and your choppahs scattered about

See here is another inconsistencie
He took the time to stack mags neatly but none of the firearms are organized the bipod AR are not bump stocked so obviously he did NOT use those. The one that is with the surefire mag is not by him. And what the hell is that blue tube??? I mean you would think that if you were setting up you would have you bangers lined up and mags set up at each NOT stacked neatly in a corner and your choppahs scattered about

The blue tube is the shoulder thing that goes up
Or maybe it cools the gun so it can fire automatically


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The blue tube is the shoulder thing that goes up
Or maybe it cools the gun so it can fire automatically


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well I Googled it said it's a hair grower... you should look into it

well I Googled it said it's a hair grower... you should look into it

Heads


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Might be his cpap


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See here is another inconsistencie
He took the time to stack mags neatly but none of the firearms are organized ...the bipod AR are not bump stocked so obviously he did NOT use those. The one that is with the surefire mag is not by him. And what the hell is that blue tube??? I mean you would think that if you were setting up you would have your bangers lined up and mags set up at each NOT stacked neatly in a corner and your choppahs scattered about

The non bumpfire rifles would be for sniping after the crowd dispurses.  Everything was probably organized at the beginning, he was a smart and rich guy after all.  That all gets messed up in the excitement and commotion, and frustration if his rounds jammed.  Not to mention when the police are at the door and about to break in.

Inconsistencies and go...
For me is how did his feet get under the rifle and he's laying on another? He would have to have been sitting. In second pic how did the pistol land so far over his head if he shot in mouth pointing up?
Thought about it and conclusion Leo probably kicked it to clear perp. Due to blood trail and blood on gun. But position still open.

He fell backward.