So my question is why is Trump being held to a higher level than all of our recent presidents based solely on his tweets? Why is this president any different than any other president we have had?

I would theorize that it is because of the severity and the frequency of such tweets.

I don't think is being held to a higher standard, though it may just be a different group holding the president to the high standard this time. Obama obviously didn't get any passes here. Trump is just so in your face that I think we see it more often therefore maybe we perceive him as being held to a higher standard.

I would theorize that it is because of the severity and the frequency of such tweets.

I don't think is being held to a higher standard, though it may just be a different group holding the president to the high standard this time. Obama obviously didn't get any passes here. Trump is just so in your face that I think we see it more often therefore maybe we perceive him as being held to a higher standard.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the Press is nothing more than an arm of the Democrat Party.  Maybe they are down-playing the bad things one party does and exaggerating anything the other side does 24/7, whether or not it's really anything that rises to the level of "informing the public" vs. "guess what Trump just said this time?"

One relatively recent poll showed that the press gave Obama 42% POSITIVE news coverage, and Trump has received 5% POSITIVE coverage.  Negative coverage was 20% for Obama vs. 62% for Trump - three times worse than Obama.  I've seen earlier studies saying Obama's coverage was 80% positive compared to Trump's 80% negative -- polar opposites.

Even the New York Times published an apology after the election saying they were letting their biases drive their coverage of the candidates.  Duh!!

That's based on the amount of time they spent on positive vs. negative stories, not the number of issues/topics.  For example, if Obama was caught in a lie (like his Obamacare promises), that was played as few times as possible by the MSM.  But if Trump was caught exaggerating the number of people attending his inauguration, that was the lead for almost every news channel on every program for 2 weeks -- all while ignoring anything good happening associated with Trump -- like record market levels and businesses bringing back thousands of good paying jobs.

Before you summarily dismiss my comments with "I don't believe the numbers", do some research.



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive

The press did down play a lot of stuff with previous admins.  Imagine if today a US ambassador was killed because no reinforcements were sent to help.  I can guarantee all the dems in Washington would be calling for Trumps resignation or even more impeachment.

Imagine if Melania gave a speech in Russia and was paid $500K.

Or if Trump had an affair in the WH and said during testimony "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

That's why they're called the fake news.  I haven't watched the world news on TV since.

Wow, you guys sure got that HPD troll whipped up.  Glad I put him/it/her on ignore, makes the thread a lot shorter.

Wow, you guys sure got that HPD troll whipped up.  Glad I put him/it/her on ignore, makes the thread a lot shorter.

I have him on ignore, too, but when someone quotes his posts, I still see them.  If I see him say something especially inaccurate or trying to pass off unsupported opinion as truth, I'll jump in to see him try and squirm his way out of it.

I guess this means Mueller is a rich man now, right? 

I would theorize that it is because of the severity and the frequency of such tweets.

I don't think is being held to a higher standard, though it may just be a different group holding the president to the high standard this time. Obama obviously didn't get any passes here. Trump is just so in your face that I think we see it more often therefore maybe we perceive him as being held to a higher standard.

I don’t believe it. The MSM is obviously holding him to a higher standard. There is really no question about it. My question was not whether he was being held to a higher standard, but WHY he is being held to a higher standard. You obviously don’t have an answer to my question so let’s just move on.

I don’t believe it. The MSM is obviously holding him to a higher standard. There is really no question about it. My question was not whether he was being held to a higher standard, but WHY he is being held to a higher standard. You obviously don’t have an answer to my question so let’s just move on.

Like I said, it could be that different groups are holding him to a higher standard. So for example MSM gave Obama a pass and Fox attacked him but now it has changed to MSM attacking Trump but Fox giving him a pass. The why is harder to answer because it requires speculation on motive. The simplest answer in my mind would be because MSM is left leaning so they hold him to a higher standard.

The press did down play a lot of stuff with previous admins.  Imagine if today a US ambassador was killed because no reinforcements were sent to help.  I can guarantee all the dems in Washington would be calling for Trumps resignation or even more impeachment.

Fox news did talk about impeaching Obama for Benghazi so I don't see a significant difference in standards, just a difference in who is bring up the standards.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the Press is nothing more than an arm of the Democrat Party.  Maybe they are down-playing the bad things one party does and exaggerating anything the other side does 24/7, whether or not it's really anything that rises to the level of "informing the public" vs. "guess what Trump just said this time?"

One relatively recent poll showed that the press gave Obama 42% POSITIVE news coverage, and Trump has received 5% POSITIVE coverage.  Negative coverage was 20% for Obama vs. 62% for Trump - three times worse than Obama.  I've seen earlier studies saying Obama's coverage was 80% positive compared to Trump's 80% negative -- polar opposites.

Even the New York Times published an apology after the election saying they were letting their biases drive their coverage of the candidates.  Duh!!

That's based on the amount of time they spent on positive vs. negative stories, not the number of issues/topics.  For example, if Obama was caught in a lie (like his Obamacare promises), that was played as few times as possible by the MSM.  But if Trump was caught exaggerating the number of people attending his inauguration, that was the lead for almost every news channel on every program for 2 weeks -- all while ignoring anything good happening associated with Trump -- like record market levels and businesses bringing back thousands of good paying jobs.

Before you summarily dismiss my comments with "I don't believe the numbers", do some research.



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive

I am not going to dismiss your comments or numbers, I pretty much agree with all the points you have made. I think there are more left leaning media than right leaning media so we do get an unequal amount of negative coverage.

Part of what I was getting at though is that Trump says so many controversial or negative things that there really is more juicy negative news bits for the media to publish. Even if you are a Trump supporter there is no denying that Trump says a lot of questionable things that make him a target for news. Obama said a number of dumb things but he wasn't doing so multiple times a day so in comparison to Obama there just wasn't as much for the media to report on during his presidency. Trump averages about 12 tweets per day, what other president has ever made that many public statements per day? Statistically speaking there is just so much more opportunity to go after Trump and I think that is a big part of it. I also think the left leaning media is another significant part of it.

Like I said, it could be that different groups are holding him to a higher standard. So for example MSM gave Obama a pass and Fox attacked him but now it has changed to MSM attacking Trump but Fox giving him a pass. The why is harder to answer because it requires speculation on motive. The simplest answer in my mind would be because MSM is left leaning so they hold him to a higher standard.

Let’s also not forget that Fox and Fox News Channel are not considered part of the MSM. The reach that Fox News Channel has is very limited. The MSM has a much greater reach across the US and around the world. Fox News Channel is only a cable show. The MSM has numerous cable channels, Fox has one or two over the air TV channels. The MSM has many more. Then there is radio and newspapers. And let’s not forget the worldwide news outlets some of which I also try and get my news from which is mostly far left leaning. On top of that we have movies, mostly put out by the left and then there are all types of other shows and networks and even none news cable channels that try to push the left agenda and change the truth and history into some sort of perverted reality.

The reach and the ability to sway public opinion by the MSM is far greater than a simple majority of the world. By far much greater. If you are trying to say that the media is influencing most of the population to hold Trump to a higher standard then I would agree that there is some of that. But I believe that even us conservative and Republican folk are also holding Trump to a higher standard. For instance, I have never seen a president get as much done in his first 18 months of office as Trump has. He has kept more promises than any other president has in his first 18 months. More than any other president has during their full terms in my recent memory IMHO. Yet I see you post that “he has not done a good job at keeping his promises.” I believe that even you are holding him to a higher standard. Why are you holding him to a higher standard?

Let’s also not forget that Fox and Fox News Channel are not considered part of the MSM. The reach that Fox News Channel has is very limited. The MSM has a much greater reach across the US and around the world. Fox News Channel is only a cable show. The MSM has numerous cable channels, Fox has one or two over the air TV channels. The MSM has many more. Then there is radio and newspapers. And let’s not forget the worldwide news outlets some of which I also try and get my news from which is mostly far left leaning. On top of that we have movies, mostly put out by the left and then there are all types of other shows and networks and even none news cable channels that try to push the left agenda and change the truth and history into some sort of perverted reality.

The reach and the ability to sway public opinion by the MSM is far greater than a simple majority of the world. By far much greater. If you are trying to say that the media is influencing most of the population to hold Trump to a higher standard then I would agree that there is some of that. But I believe that even us conservative and Republican folk are also holding Trump to a higher standard. For instance, I have never seen a president get as much done in his first 18 months of office as Trump has. He has kept more promises than any other president has in his first 18 months. More than any other president has during their full terms in my recent memory IMHO. Yet I see you post that “he has not done a good job at keeping his promises.” I believe that even you are holding him to a higher standard. Why are you holding him to a higher standard?

I believe more folks are staring to “see the light”. Otherwise “moderate” liberals questioning coverage from CNN and MSNBC. Seeing through Feinsteins obvious stalling tactics and pretty much senile ramblings. I still do think there’s a huge propaganda machine and many folks are molded by it. However, I am hoping more wake up and start using independent thought.

He’s being held to a higher standard as everything is scrutinized in an effort to discredit him.  They can’t attack results, but they surely try to down play things. Obama was scrutinized, but you were declared a racist if you did. I still have NO idea how he became so beloved by so many. I’ll give him credit as he was an excellent speaker. Sounds a lot like how Hilter came into prominence. Nice because of effectiveness, but because he had a gift for public speaking and getting folks to back him. Oh, and don’t forget his propaganda machine, moves toward socialism and blind hatred for fascism. Anyone not see parallels?!

I believe more folks are staring to “see the light”. Otherwise “moderate” liberals questioning coverage from CNN and MSNBC. Seeing through Feinsteins obvious stalling tactics and pretty much senile ramblings. I still do think there’s a huge propaganda machine and many folks are molded by it. However, I am hoping more wake up and start using independent thought.

He’s being held to a higher standard as everything is scrutinized in an effort to discredit him.  They can’t attack results, but they surely try to down play things. Obama was scrutinized, but you were declared a racist if you did. I still have NO idea how he became so beloved by so many. I’ll give him credit as he was an excellent speaker. Sounds a lot like how Hilter came into prominence. Nice because of effectiveness, but because he had a gift for public speaking and getting folks to back him. Oh, and don’t forget his propaganda machine, moves toward socialism and blind hatred for fascism. Anyone not see parallels?!

I see the parallels but since you are saying it, you are the racist and the Nazi. 

I see the parallels but since you are saying it, you are the racist and the Nazi. 

Nazi you say, eh? Sieg Heil!

Before going away for college, I would say that I had very slight racist biases.  Out of ignorance as opposed to blind hatred. Now that I’ve seen more of the world, as long as you’re not a super self-centered asshole, we can get along.

Nazi you say, eh? Sieg Heil!

Before going away for college, I would say that I had very slight racist biases.  Out of ignorance as opposed to blind hatred. Now that I’ve seen more of the world, as long as you’re not a super self-centered asshole, we can get along.

I was raised by a racist father and a mother who would never contradict him. My father hated blacks and democrats. I grew up repeating the same racist shit he did. I was raised in a neighborhood and went to school with strictly white people. On the day after I graduated from high school I moved out of their house and left an extremely nasty letter to my parents. I moved into a mixed neighborhood and I learned a very hard life lesson. I learned my father was a racist and so was I. It takes a long time and a lot of self awareness to undo the damage that 18 years of racist BS had done to my mind.

I like do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I find this serves me very well in my life.

I was raised by a racist father and a mother who would never contradict him. My father hated blacks and democrats. I grew up repeating the same racist shit he did. I was raised in a neighborhood and went to school with strictly white people. On the day after I graduated from high school I moved out of their house and left an extremely nasty letter to my parents. I moved into a mixed neighborhood and I learned a very hard life lesson. I learned my father was a racist and so was I. It takes a long time and a lot of self awareness to undo the damage that 18 years of racist BS had done to my mind.

I like do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I find this serves me very well in my life.

I’m the same way. Treat me well, and I do the same. Cross me, forget you.

And I actually know quite a few folks who are pretty close minded about many things. A couple about race, but thankfully not many. I mean everyone has a right to their opinions and live life how they see fit. But yeah, so many people with hatred, biases, whatever programmed. Be it from family, friends, MSM, social media. In college, I had somewhat of an awakening that higher learning was about problem solving and finding your own way in life. Not necessarily leaning just the stuff for your major or intended career field. I mean there’s that, but I saw more than that. I think the critical thinking part has been lost. Younger generations seems to need answers given to them as opposed to finding their own way. At least my perception.

I’m the same way. Treat me well, and I do the same. Cross me, forget you.

And I actually know quite a few folks who are pretty close minded about many things. A couple about race, but thankfully not many. I mean everyone has a right to their opinions and live life how they see fit. But yeah, so many people with hatred, biases, whatever programmed. Be it from family, friends, MSM, social media. In college, I had somewhat of an awakening that higher learning was about problem solving and finding your own way in life. Not necessarily leaning just the stuff for your major or intended career field. I mean there’s that, but I saw more than that. I think the critical thinking part has been lost. Younger generations seems to need answers given to them as opposed to finding their own way. At least my perception.

My hanai sister died a year ago. I was very close to her and her family. My hanai brother-in-law now has 2 of 3 of his very adult kids living at home. One is at home for the third time going back to school to get another degree in yet another field. She was making 6 figures as an accountant and was having one or more #MeToo experiences so she just quit and moved back home. While the other one is now transgendered and can’t get a job in this great job market in drafting. Her degree is in chemical engineering and is fighting the transgendered perception in the job market. They live in SoCal, go figure. Both of them were raised exactly as you said. Needed to be given answers rather than finding them out on their own. Before they became boomerangs they were living on their own and had some hard life lessons. Problem is I don’t see either one going back out into the real world on their own. It’s going to be a tough lesson for them when their father dies. Not sure what is going to happen to them.

My hanai sister died a year ago. I was very close to her and her family. My hanai brother-in-law now has 2 of 3 of his very adult kids living at home. One is at home for the third time going back to school to get another degree in yet another field. She was making 6 figures as an accountant and was having one or more #MeToo experiences so she just quit and moved back home. While the other one is now transgendered and can’t get a job in this great job market in drafting. Her degree is in chemical engineering and is fighting the transgendered perception in the job market. They live in SoCal, go figure. Both of them were raised exactly as you said. Needed to be given answers rather than finding them out on their own. Before they became boomerangs they were living on their own and had some hard life lessons. Problem is I don’t see either one going back out into the real world on their own. It’s going to be a tough lesson for them when their father dies. Not sure what is going to happen to them.

As long as I can remember, I wanted to go away from school. Since graduating HS, I’ve mostly lived on my own. Not that I didn’t get along with my parents, but always wanted to go my own way. Yeah, I learned many lessons in life and many the hard way. I just see younger generations needing so much, growing up so sheltered. I think my parents’ generation probably thought similar of my generation, but these millennial are growing up living in a bubble. So sheltered. In many ways, that’s not a bad thing, but it seems to work against survival of fittest. The fittest end up getting taxed to support the not so fit.

The diff is 1 station vs.  all the stations calling for impeachment. And for 2 years straight.

Trump has bullet proof innnocents. 3 years investigstion,  FISA nothing, special counsel-nothing, all media channels pushing fake news-nothing.

Fox news did talk about impeaching Obama for Benghazi so I don't see a significant difference in standards, just a difference in who is bring up the standards.

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As long as I can remember, I wanted to go away from school. Since graduating HS, I’ve mostly lived on my own. Not that I didn’t get along with my parents, but always wanted to go my own way. Yeah, I learned many lessons in life and many the hard way. I just see younger generations needing so much, growing up so sheltered. I think my parents’ generation probably thought similar of my generation, but these millennial are growing up living in a bubble. So sheltered. In many ways, that’s not a bad thing, but it seems to work against survival of fittest. The fittest end up getting taxed to support the not so fit.

You are completely correct. What I may not live long enough to see is what direction we are going to go over the next 30-40 years as a country in general. Are we really going to move towards socialism? Are we going to see an actual civil war? I read that the newest generation coming of age (Gen-Z?) is turning out to be very conservative. Is this going to change the direction of the country back to a more neutral or conservative direction? Or is it going to be too little too late. Are they going to be the radical right wing fringe group or the majority? The biggest question I have is are we going to lose our 1st and 2nd amendment rights?