"Any person who installs, removes, or alters a firearm part with the intent to convert the firearm to an automatic firearm, to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm, shall be deemed to have manufactured an automatic firearm in violation of subsection (a)..."

They don''t have to define "rate of fire", only that the rate of fire after the "modification" is "accelerated" on that particular firearm compared to prior to the modification. So if previously you could empty a 30 round mag in 20 seconds, and after applying some high quality lube to certain parts and thus obtained a rate of fire of emptying the 30 round mag in 19.9 seconds, you are, by definition, having "accelerated the rate of fire", guilty of "manufactur[ing] an automatic weapon". That's literally what it says.

The only way they could prove a person guilty of such a crime would be to have every person bring their firearms to some location and have them all fired by state staff using some objective mechanical firing device and record the rate of fire, and then do so again every year (or whatever interval) to check for "acceleration". And just to be sure the firearms aren't returned to de-accelerated "normal" just prior to the scheduled testing and then re-modified back to "accelerated" after the state test, there would have to be a program of random warranted or warrantless searches and seizures of all firearms in order to avoid the possibility of such "tampering". I mean who is going to bring their firearm to the test with the stick or the string or the rubber bands?

These are the lawyers at work.

I still say it'd be easier to just ban all firearms.

https://act.nraila.org/takeaction.aspx?AlertID=1843

NRA form to send message opposing the measure.

"They" won't have any way of know what the previous/current rate of fire is.  Unless, of course, HPD requires all firearms registered to be fired onsite and the rate of fire measured and recorded.

This is so unenforceable as written.  It will only apply to anyone who gets over 75-100 rounds per minute.  It would have to be significant enough to get someone's attention.

Very enforceable... Is that a stock or aftermarket trigger? Yes, then it's a modification from the factory installed one, therefore in violation of the law.

It makes no difference to them if it changes trigger pull, smoothness, reset or whatever. In their eyes it's not a stock, gritty ass cheese grater trigger.

They could go as far as polishing feed ramps, mag springs, etc. The possibilities are endless. As long as we end up with single shot .22 starter pistols with a 16" barrel. (so we can't put it in our pants to conceal)



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So no more rilfes off the shelf. Need to build your own so there is no "factory rate of fire".

To me, "intent" is the key phrase. So what if we let this piss poor bill pass that may never be enforceable? To let the dems think they won and dont rewrite the bill.

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Can't ignore the "intent" clause ...

"with the intent to convert the firearm to an automatic firearm, to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm,"

If your intent is to reduce trigger travel, have less pull weight, or smooth out the break, how can anyone argue differently?  Unless you do something stupid like post to this forum or FB how your trigger job doubled your effective rate of fire, they can't prove "illegal intent."

To me, "intent" is the key phrase. So what if we let this piss poor bill pass that may never be enforceable? To let the dems think they won and dont rewrite the bill.

So what if we let this piss poor bill pass that may never be enforceable?

When is the anticipated comment period to perhaps occur?

Not assigned to committee(s) yet, so no hearing date set.

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1/18/2018   S   Introduced.
1/18/2018   S   Passed First Reading.

I imagine this will include fast triggers along with crank triggers?

If it's a "device" or "modification" that can increase the rate of fire, it's banned. At least that's what it says as written.

Also that this bill won't stop criminals from modifying the guns to shoot full auto.

Just got an email back from Rep. Takayama's office responding to my request for their "bump stock" bill:

[At least you won't get arrested for having a stick, as it isn't "attached".... This bill also doesn't criminalize "modifications" that increase rate of fire. Of course they fail to define "burst"... ]

H.B. NO.1908

A BILL FOR AN ACT

RELATING TO FIREARMS.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:

     SECTION 1.  Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part I to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

     "§134-    Multiburst trigger activator; prohibition.  (a)  Any person in this State who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator shall be guilty of a class C felony.

     (b)  As used in this section, "multiburst trigger activator" means:

     (1)  A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device; or

     (2)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm."

     SECTION 2.  New statutory material is underscored.

     SECTION 3.  This Act shall take effect upon its approval.

When is the anticipated comment period to perhaps occur?

I imagine this will include fast triggers along with crank triggers?

I tried to submit testimony yesterday but it's not open yet online. I'm sure it will be a 30 minute window on a Wednesday between 5:23am and 5:53am Eastern Time.