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OPPOSE: SB 2046 (Trigger Mod / Bumpstock Ban) (Read 115370 times)

macsak

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2018, 03:18:28 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on January 29, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
Done.
Thanks for the sample Heavies.
 :shaka:

I made a slightly edited version of heavies' testimony

As a law-abiding Second Amendment supporter in Hawaii, and voter, I urge you to please oppose Senate Bill 2046.
 
SB 2046 would make it a crime to own, manufacture, possess, sell, barter, trade, gift, transfer or acquire a firearm accessory or any other device, part or combination of parts that is designed to or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm.  In addition, SB 2046 would also criminalize installing, removing, or altering parts of a firearm with the intent of accelerating the rate of fire.

The broad and overreaching provisions of SB 2046 could criminalize firearm modifications such as competition triggers, muzzle brakes, and ergonomic changes that are commonly done by law-abiding gun owners to make their firearms more suitable for self-defense, competition, hunting, or even overcoming disability.

These restrictions will do nothing to curb violence nor keep criminals from obtaining or using such devices, and only serve to automatically and arbitrarily make LAW ABIDING CITIZENS criminals overnight for no reason at all. In addition, it does not address the root cause of gun violence, which is mental illness and psychiatric medications.
mahalo
macsak, hawaii resident and voter
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London808

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2018, 04:02:23 PM »
PLEASE if you can write something of your own, copy pasting a testimony will more then likely result in them getting ignored (No one wants to read the same book 50 times)


I NAME Oppose the enactment of SB 2046. 

This is a new jerk reaction to a tragedy that occurred this past year, Although this law seems like a well meaning law that may stop another event like this from happening, it simply is not true and will have no effect on crime at any level. 

The wording of the bill, including "or to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm," Have no legal definition or meaning and can be interpreted in any number of ways. Something as simple as replacing the factory trigger with a smoother one or one with a lighter pull (often done with precision and competition shooters) would be illegal.
This law would also be impossible to enforce short of the police departments disassembling and cataloging every part of every firearm in the state. 

With regards to the ban of bump stocks mentioned in the law. A bump stock can be replicated with any number of tools, including but not limited to a shoe lace, a rubber band, a belt. Not to mention that with a little practice the same style of fire can be achieved without any modification to any semiautomatic rifle. The simple true of the matter is these tools are not used in murders or shootings because they cause the fire to be inaccurate and unreliable. 

My final objection to this bill is the arbitrary ban of something that is currently legal. Resulting in people having to surrender or destroy their personal property without compensation or face felony charges. This alone has already been ruled unconstitutionall in federal courts across the country.
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macsak

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2018, 05:25:22 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on January 29, 2018, 02:35:28 PM
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2046&year=2018

-Sign in, or sign up
-click link
-submit testimony OPPOSING SB2046

Thank you


Sample testimony...

please note, testimony MUST be submitted 24 hours before meeting time, late submissions may or may not be distributed
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rklapp

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2018, 06:34:55 PM »
Done. Be sure to run the spell checker before submitting. Chrome does not automatically check the spelling in that text box and has to be done manually.
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drck1000

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2018, 08:37:22 PM »
Done

Will certainly be keeping an eye on this one.

With Tsutsui stepping down and Senate leader saying not interested, the House Speaker, Scott Saiki is next in line. He’s my rep and absolutely terrible for gun rights.
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Lihikai

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #125 on: January 29, 2018, 08:50:55 PM »
Done
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oldfart

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #126 on: January 29, 2018, 08:54:43 PM »
Done
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #127 on: January 29, 2018, 10:10:51 PM »
Done
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changemyoil66

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2018, 10:02:04 AM »
Is there a way to see all the for and against votes by the public submissions?
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macsak

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2018, 10:10:08 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2018, 10:02:04 AM
Is there a way to see all the for and against votes by the public submissions?

after the hearing, all testimony is available online
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6716J

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2018, 11:06:04 AM »
Done

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Heavies

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2018, 06:01:57 PM »
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Aloha e [heavies],

 Mahalo for your email. I'm a supporter of Second Amendment rights and appreciate your input. I'll consider this closely if and when I have an opportunity to vote on it.

 Best wishes to you and your 'ohana.

 Me ke aloha pumehana,

 Senator Mike Gabbard
 Chair, Agriculture and Environment Committee

 Hawai'i State Capitol, Room 201
 Honolulu, Hawai`i  96813
 Ph: 586-6830  Fax: 586-6679
 P.S. Click HERE to check out my Senate webpage "Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals, and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
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hvybarrels

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #132 on: January 31, 2018, 09:11:31 AM »
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The first question we need to ask is how does banning common and widely accepted firearm modifications help Hawaii's citizens? We already have the lowest gun deaths in the nation, so it's already impossible to estimate how much modified parts made a difference because the control group is already so tiny.  Meanwhile we have drowning deaths at 13 times the national average, but I don't see any rush to regulate snorkel parts.

Does this bill actually intend to make a difference, or is it just another political maneuver to put bullet points on campaign flyers and make career politicians look like they are "taking a stand" without actually accomplishing anything productive?
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aieahound

Re: Submit testimony OPPOSING SB 2046
« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2018, 02:04:05 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on February 01, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
Testimony re SB2046 is posted: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SB2046_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-01-18_.PDF

Tabulation:

FOR    5 (five)

OPPOSED 104 (one hundred and four)

I haven't read all the comments (and even my quick tabulation looking through over 100 pages could be off by a couple), but the support is from HPD, Maui Prosecutor, Big Island Mayor Harry Kim, Americans for Democratic action and one individual.

Now let's see how the committee "translates" that public input into action.

I appreciate everyone who took the time to submit testimony to attempt to defensively defeat legislation to further restrict our rights.

Now, can we please take the same energy and attempt to use it to go on the offense and get the committee chairs to hear the bills to restore our rights (CCW shall issue, handgun mag limit change to 17, and end stun gun ban)?  :shaka:
Good job folks.
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aieahound

Re: SB 2046 TESTIMONY AVAILABLE NOW
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2018, 02:10:13 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on February 01, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
Testimony re SB2046 is posted: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SB2046_TESTIMONY_PSM_02-01-18_.PDF

Tabulation:

FOR    5 (five)

OPPOSED 104 (one hundred and four)

I haven't read all the comments (and even my quick tabulation looking through over 100 pages could be off by a couple), but the support is from HPD, Maui Prosecutor, Big Island Mayor Harry Kim, Americans for Democratic action and one individual.

Now let's see how the committee "translates" that public input into action.

I appreciate everyone who took the time to submit testimony to attempt to defensively defeat legislation to further restrict our rights.

Now, can we please take the same energy and attempt to use it to go on the offense and get the committee chairs to hear the bills to restore our rights (CCW shall issue, handgun mag limit change to 17, and end stun gun ban)?  :shaka:
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punaperson

Re: SB 2046 TESTIMONY AVAILABLE NOW
« Reply #135 on: February 01, 2018, 03:01:54 PM »
What a waste of time. I don't get it. This is "representative government"? Representing who or what?

Chairman starts off the committee meeting by saying that there are too many people who want to testify on SB2046, so (even though you took time off work and came all the way down here and maybe paid for parking, etc.) you won't be able to testify. Why have "in person" testimony if there is a "time limit" that is interpreted to mean the vast majority of people there to testify can't testify? So much for "public input".  :crazy:  :wtf:

Then there's the fact that only two of the five committee members are present, so there is no "quorum" and they can't do anything after they sit there for 90 minutes listenting to all the people they did allow to testify on other bills, and postpone action until at least the next meeting on Feb 6. Why even have the meeting and hear all the "public input" (such as is allowed given the "time constraints") when the majority of the members aren't even there? It's almost like they all have their minds made up before any procedural events (testimony, meetings, votes, etc.) take place, so they haven't really missed anything by missing the meeting and the in person testimony (such as was "allowed").  >:(
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zippz

Re: SB 2046 TESTIMONY AVAILABLE NOW
« Reply #136 on: February 01, 2018, 04:09:29 PM »
Sounds like we had great support from the firearms community.  Can't remember the last time we had a hundred testimony.

Its terrible what Puna said about the committee, all that hard work and the government drops the ball.
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punaperson

Re: SB 2046 TESTIMONY AVAILABLE NOW
« Reply #137 on: February 01, 2018, 04:36:46 PM »
Committee meets as mentioned next Feb. 6:

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/hearingnotices/HEARING_PSM_02-06-18_DEFER-1_.HTM

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, INTERGOVERNMENTAL, AND MILITARY AFFAIRS
Senator Clarence K. Nishihara, Chair
Senator Glenn Wakai, Vice-Chair

MEASURES DEFERRED TO TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 06, 2018

DATE:Tuesday, February 06, 2018

TIME:1:20 PM

PLACE:Conference Room 229
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

DECISION MAKING ON THE FOLLOWING MEASURE(S):

[list of all measures, including SB2046]

[Note at bottom of page:]

No testimony will be accepted.

[They gave us our one chance to submit written testimony and (not) testify in person. If even one scintilla of rationality is allowed to bear upon the decision, SB2046 will be defeated/deferred. I'm not holding my breath.][/list]
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nathanm14fan

Re: HAWAII "BUMP STOCK" BAN TO BE INTRODUCED 2018
« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2018, 04:55:35 PM »
Quote from: z06psi on January 23, 2018, 04:08:41 PM
Your argument is mute. You can own everything from destructive devices to fully automatic weapons with the right license on the Federal level.  Hawaii's police state, which you bow to doesn't allow it.

And I'm sure many people don't realize that according to HRS 134-11, state and county law enforcement officers are allowed to own NFA firearms and high capacity magazines. Federal LEO private ownership is NOT exempt. HRS 134-8 governs those items.

"134-11  Exemptions.  (a)  Sections 134-7 to 134-9 and 134-21 to 134-27, except section 134-7(f), shall not apply:

(1)  To state and county law enforcement officers; provided that such persons are not convicted of an offense involving abuse of a family or household member under section 709-906;"
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PalisadesKid

Re: SB 2046 TESTIMONY AVAILABLE NOW
« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2018, 04:56:38 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on February 01, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
Committee meets as mentioned next Feb. 6:

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/hearingnotices/HEARING_PSM_02-06-18_DEFER-1_.HTM

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, INTERGOVERNMENTAL, AND MILITARY AFFAIRS
Senator Clarence K. Nishihara, Chair
Senator Glenn Wakai, Vice-Chair

MEASURES DEFERRED TO TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 06, 2018

DATE:Tuesday, February 06, 2018

TIME:1:20 PM

PLACE:Conference Room 229
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

DECISION MAKING ON THE FOLLOWING MEASURE(S):

[list of all measures, including SB2046]

[Note at bottom of page:]

No testimony will be accepted.

[They gave us our one chance to submit written testimony and (not) testify in person. If even one scintilla of rationality is allowed to bear upon the decision, SB2046 will be defeated/deferred. I'm not holding my breath.][/list]

So we have a few more days to call and email these committee chairs with our $0.02 regarding this bill ... fine. So be it.
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