OPPOSE: SB 2046 (Trigger Mod / Bumpstock Ban) (Read 121818 times)

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #200 on: February 26, 2018, 06:42:50 PM »
HB 1908 was limited to only bump stocks and trigger cranks

this is SB 2046, which still includes the trigger mods
we need to fight this one too, especially since we will not be able to testify in person at the hearing

one thing you could say is to adopt the wording of HB 1908
or you can argue against the trigger modification part

here's the testimony:
34 support
300+ oppose

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SB2046_TESTIMONY_JDC_02-27-18_.PDF

great job, but we need even more next time!

zippz

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #201 on: February 26, 2018, 07:49:40 PM »
HELP US BREAK 500 TESTIMONY!!!!
We need 34 more!




https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2046&year=2018

Current estimated numbers of testimony is:
466 Opposed
38 Support
1 Comments

Note:  They haven't processed 64 handwritten testimony yet which I added to the numbers.

ren

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #202 on: February 26, 2018, 08:18:33 PM »
Thank you to Todd and everyone else who spearheaded the effort. :shaka: :thumbsup:
Deeds Not Words

6716J

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #203 on: February 26, 2018, 09:15:29 PM »
HELP US BREAK 500 TESTIMONY!!!!
We need 34 more!




https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2046&year=2018

Current estimated numbers of testimony is:
466 Opposed
38 Support
1 Comments

Note:  They haven't processed 64 handwritten testimony yet which I added to the numbers.
Awesomeness

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Boomah

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #204 on: February 26, 2018, 10:56:38 PM »
Got the wife to submit testimony as well... Hope we're getting close!

It's great to see & read so many opposed to the bill, but we definitely need more. Fingers crossed we bust through the 500 mark  :thumbsup:

Boomah  :shaka:

2ahavvaii

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #205 on: February 27, 2018, 08:45:44 AM »
I like Jonagustine's comment "Do any of you legislators even read this?"    Fucking assholes.  There's 12-13X more testimony in opposition, and they'll probably unanimously pass it.

6716J

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #206 on: February 27, 2018, 08:55:27 AM »
I like Jonagustine's comment "Do any of you legislators even read this?"    Fucking assholes.  There's 12-13X more testimony in opposition, and they'll probably unanimously pass it.
Do you really want to know? Because the real question is do they care?

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macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #207 on: February 27, 2018, 09:00:42 AM »
Do you really want to know? Because the real question is do they care?

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more oppose testimony to come
but probably a lot of LATE supports

Drakiir84

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #208 on: February 27, 2018, 09:16:20 AM »
Dan Goo just texted, he talked to Senator Taniguchi today and it looks like he is going to adopt the house language that specifies bump stocks and trigger cranks.  We'll see. 
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

changemyoil66

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #209 on: February 27, 2018, 09:40:43 AM »
Dan Goo just texted, he talked to Senator Taniguchi today and it looks like he is going to adopt the house language that specifies bump stocks and trigger cranks.  We'll see.

What does that mean?  As in only specifically bump stocks / cranks will be illegal?

2ahavvaii

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #210 on: February 27, 2018, 09:45:22 AM »
What does that mean?  As in only specifically bump stocks / cranks will be illegal?

that means that they'll have 2 different bills that specifies only bump stocks/cranks that are going to be voted on.  They're getting rid of the "catch-all" phrases.  I may have been a bit premature earlier, but it would be a "partial win" if they only banned bump stock/cranks.  You're pissing a lot more people off by lumping in trigger mods and muzzle breaks.

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #211 on: February 27, 2018, 09:50:34 AM »
that means that they'll have 2 different bills that specifies only bump stocks/cranks that are going to be voted on.  They're getting rid of the "catch-all" phrases.  I may have been a bit premature earlier, but it would be a "partial win" if they only banned bump stock/cranks.  You're pissing a lot more people off by lumping in trigger mods and muzzle breaks.

not two bills
they will combine the house and senate versions in "conference committee"

but in committee, they can change any language they want
outside of public scrutiny too

so we have to still be vigilant

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #212 on: February 27, 2018, 09:59:53 AM »
Dan Goo just texted, he talked to Senator Taniguchi today and it looks like he is going to adopt the house language that specifies bump stocks and trigger cranks.  We'll see.
I wonder if that implies that the language already exists for HB1908 HD2 and they just haven't made it public yet? I was told yesterday that they wouldn't have the language for "2 or 3 days". Who knows what's happening in those back halls and smoke-filled rooms?

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #213 on: February 27, 2018, 10:04:18 AM »
I wonder if that implies that the language already exists for HB1908 HD2 and they just haven't made it public yet? I was told yesterday that they wouldn't have the language for "2 or 3 days". Who knows what's happening in those back halls and smoke-filled rooms?

updated testimony posted
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SB2046_TESTIMONY_JDC_02-27-18_.PDF
there's more to count now...

drck1000

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #214 on: February 27, 2018, 10:21:33 AM »
"Institute for Rational and Evidence-based Legislation" - I'm gonna look them up!

I scrolled through about 1/3 of the testimony and I just hope the opposition response continues to build!  :thumbsup:

Thank you to those who have been volunteering to get out, spread the word and raise awareness. 

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #215 on: February 27, 2018, 10:38:29 AM »
I wonder if that implies that the language already exists for HB1908 HD2 and they just haven't made it public yet? I was told yesterday that they wouldn't have the language for "2 or 3 days". Who knows what's happening in those back halls and smoke-filled rooms?

video is up on FB

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #216 on: February 27, 2018, 11:20:26 AM »
video is up on FB
Can you please post a link? Is it available for viewing by people who despise Mark Zuckerberg and refuse to contribute even a fraction of a cent to his socialist tyranny agenda?  :shaka:

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #217 on: February 27, 2018, 11:34:29 AM »
Can you please post a link? Is it available for viewing by people who despise Mark Zuckerberg and refuse to contribute even a fraction of a cent to his socialist tyranny agenda?  :shaka:

not much to see, and more difficult to hear
someone, i think the vice chair, sen taniguchi, says that they want to change the wording to HB1908, there is a break as they all read it, and then they vote
i bet they discussed it beforehand, because there were no questions or discussion on the record

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #218 on: February 27, 2018, 11:46:17 AM »
not much to see, and more difficult to hear
someone, i think the vice chair, sen taniguchi, says that they want to change the wording to HB1908, there is a break as they all read it, and then they vote
i bet they discussed it beforehand, because there were no questions or discussion on the record
No mention of anything at all, even the quantity of testimony or anything? They didn't even state the language that supposedly conformed to HB1908 (which isn't public yet)? What was the vote? Let me guess: UNANIMOUS FOR? (I hope I'm completely wrong and rightly criticized as being a cynical bastard disconnected from the reality of a sympathetic and responsive legislature...).

macsak

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: NOW WITH JDC. CONTACT COMMITTEE ASAP
« Reply #219 on: February 27, 2018, 11:48:12 AM »
No mention of anything at all, even the quantity of testimony or anything? They didn't even state the language that supposedly conformed to HB1908 (which isn't public yet)? What was the vote? Let me guess: UNANIMOUS FOR? (I hope I'm completely wrong and rightly criticized as being a cynical bastard disconnected from the reality of a sympathetic and responsive legislature...).

our guys that were there are more active on FB than on this forum
I will ask