our guys that were there are more active on FB than on this forum
I will ask

I am told that it was unanimous for the amendments
and that it is supposed to ban specifically bump stocks and trigger cranks only
no mention was made of the amount of testimony

S 2/27/2018: The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes in JDC were as follows: 5 Aye(s): Senator(s) Taniguchi, K. Rhoads, Gabbard, Kim, L. Thielen; Aye(s) with reservations: none ; 0 No(es): none; and 0 Excused: none.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_.pdf   
SB2046   Firearms; Trigger Modification Devices; Bump Stocks   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits trigger modification devices, including bump stocks, that are designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC

or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm;

Yay, they are still including trigger mods, even though a large portion of the testimony specifically pointed them out. 

or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm;

Yay, they are still including trigger mods, even though a large portion of the testimony specifically pointed them out.

amended version available in a couple days

or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm;

Yay, they are still including trigger mods, even though a large portion of the testimony specifically pointed them out.

Yeay it bans nothing.

Just fit the so called device to the firearm first in which case this is the base fire rate and not an increased rate.

Yeay it bans nothing.

Just fit the so called device to the firearm first in which case this is the base fire rate and not an increased rate.

Yeah, I was also wondering about rifles built from parts.  Whatever trigger you install is the original trigger.  Ah well, at least i got a fancy email response from Mike Gabbard (or his designee).

Your testimonies helped to strip out the ban on firearm modifications leaving just the specific ban on bump stocks and cranks to pass the committee hearing. Good job!

I dont understand why these lawmakers can't just create bills that are plainly spoken.  Instead of saying exaclty what their objective is (to ban bump stocks), they need to get all cute and try to use "big words" that may or may not have unforeseen circumstances.  This kind of idiotic shit is why hawaii is so backwards and some laws are routinely ignored by citizens and law enforcement.   Just look at the cell phone crosswalk law, I work in downtown and have not seen a single person ticketed for it.  Hell, by the courthouse by alakea street, I see cops walking and looking on their phones, as well as pedestrians.  The law is a joke.  At the same time, I have seen many jaywalking tickets though. 

I dont understand why these lawmakers can't just create bills that are plainly spoken.  Instead of saying exaclty what their objective is (to ban bump stocks), they need to get all cute and try to use "big words" that may or may not have unforeseen circumstances.  This kind of idiotic shit is why hawaii is so backwards and some laws are routinely ignored by citizens and law enforcement.   Just look at the cell phone crosswalk law, I work in downtown and have not seen a single person ticketed for it.  Hell, by the courthouse by alakea street, I see cops walking and looking on their phones, as well as pedestrians.  The law is a joke.  At the same time, I have seen many jaywalking tickets though. 

So, when confronted with opposition, they can remove things to appease.   They can say to antis, "look we banned bump stocks"  and they can say to the pros, "look we listened to your concerns"  while, all the time, they did absolutely NOTHING to stop bad people, NOTHING to increase safety of our schools or public spaces, and NOTHING but turn formally lawful citizens into automatic felons.

They are satisfied with taking a crumb, instead of a slice of our pie.  Eventually taking a crumb here and a crumb there will net the goal of no pie for you.

The bill did mention bump stocks and cranks.  I think they added more stuff so people don't use a "loop hole".  But since they're not gun owners, they didn't realize their extra verbiage was wrong.  The good idea fairy strikes again.

I dont understand why these lawmakers can't just create bills that are plainly spoken.  Instead of saying exaclty what their objective is (to ban bump stocks), they need to get all cute and try to use "big words" that may or may not have unforeseen circumstances.  This kind of idiotic shit is why hawaii is so backwards and some laws are routinely ignored by citizens and law enforcement.   Just look at the cell phone crosswalk law, I work in downtown and have not seen a single person ticketed for it.  Hell, by the courthouse by alakea street, I see cops walking and looking on their phones, as well as pedestrians.  The law is a joke.  At the same time, I have seen many jaywalking tickets though.

Plain spoken is too easy, the more confusing its sounds lets a judge in a few years say "Hey they really meant to ban all AR-15 type rifles"

I dont think they read the testimony.   I offered a reward (cash donation to the legislator) who replied to me about one of my emails or the testimony. 

So even offering to pay them  doesnt work   

I dont think they read the testimony.   I offered a reward (cash donation to the legislator) who replied to me about one of my emails or the testimony. 

So even offering to pay them  doesnt work   

It would be illegal to offer or accept something like that.

I dont understand why these lawmakers can't just create bills that are plainly spoken.  Instead of saying exaclty what their objective is (to ban bump stocks), they need to get all cute and try to use "big words" that may or may not have unforeseen circumstances.  This kind of idiotic shit is why hawaii is so backwards and some laws are routinely ignored by citizens and law enforcement.   Just look at the cell phone crosswalk law, I work in downtown and have not seen a single person ticketed for it.  Hell, by the courthouse by alakea street, I see cops walking and looking on their phones, as well as pedestrians.  The law is a joke.  At the same time, I have seen many jaywalking tickets though.

I used to think the same way too.  But its not possible since the law has to be written to withstand an attorneys argument.  Can't use a brand name since someone can just change the name of a product.  If you have a bad description of the device, a person could change one small thing and the law doesn't apply aka 94 assault weapon ban or the bullet button.

My AR identifies itself as a NERF gun, according to CA law, that's acceptable.

It would be illegal to offer or accept something like that.

to offer a donation to acknowledge that they read it?  oh well.  I guess I'll get to see how well they treat prisoners in the sanctuary state

I used to think the same way too.  But its not possible since the law has to be written to withstand an attorneys argument.  Can't use a brand name since someone can just change the name of a product.  If you have a bad description of the device, a person could change one small thing and the law doesn't apply aka 94 assault weapon ban or the bullet button.

Then just continually add to the list yearly.... That's what the fed does for drugs, even though people come up with new synthetic drugs all the time. They don't just ban the entire class of drugs for the entire population.

Sounds like Trump is going to ban bump stocks by EO but I haven't seen him mention trigger cranks yet. Whether at the federal or state level, I think it's safe to assume bump stocks will be a thing of the past fairly soon.

So I haven't seen anything, other than trigger modifications, about Echo/Binary stuff.