OPPOSE: SB 2046 (Trigger Mod / Bumpstock Ban) (Read 121791 times)

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #240 on: February 28, 2018, 04:31:31 PM »
So I haven't seen anything, other than trigger modifications, about Echo/Binary stuff.
HB1908 HD1:

"a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of the trigger"

6716J

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #241 on: February 28, 2018, 04:57:29 PM »
Sounds like Trump is going to ban bump stocks by EO but I haven't seen him mention trigger cranks yet. Whether at the federal or state level, I think it's safe to assume bump stocks will be a thing of the past fairly soon.
Or worse....
Feinstein shakes with glee after Trump suggests adding assault weapons ban to background check bill
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-feinstein-reacts-with-glee-after-trump-1519859544-htmlstory.html

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Bunker

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #242 on: February 28, 2018, 05:28:54 PM »
Or worse....
Feinstein shakes with glee after Trump suggests adding assault weapons ban to background check bill
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-feinstein-reacts-with-glee-after-trump-1519859544-htmlstory.html

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I seen that and cringed. Hopefully just an act, because that, hopefully is a non-starter with republicans. Hopefully he is just saying that knowing the republicans will remove it. Trump is such a wildcard, you never know what he will do.

zippz

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #243 on: March 02, 2018, 07:25:22 PM »
From the updated capitol page SB2046:  Your Committee received testimony in opposition to...and more than four hundred fifty individuals. 

At least they acknowledged the opposition testimonies this time, but they never uploaded the 29 missing testimonies.

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #244 on: March 02, 2018, 09:39:11 PM »
Here's the whole committee report from zippz post above. It appears that they have incorporated the same language as HB1908 HD2 (but this report states HD1):

[I've used bold to highlight the "justification" for this law...]

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/CommReports/SB2046_SD1_SSCR2755_.htm

Honorable Ronald D. Kouchi

President of the Senate

Twenty-Ninth State Legislature

Regular Session of 2018

State of Hawaii

Sir:

     Your Committee on Judiciary, to which was referred S.B. No. 2046 entitled:

"A BILL FOR AN ACT RELATING TO FIREARMS,"

begs leave to report as follows:

     The purpose and intent of this measure is to prohibit trigger modification devices, including bump stocks, that are designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.

     Your Committee received testimony in support of this measure from the Office of the Mayor of the County of Hawai‘i, Department of the Prosecuting Attorney of the County of Maui, Honolulu Police Department, Injury Prevention Advisory Committee, Young Progressives Demanding Action Hawaii, Filipina Advocacy Network, IMUAlliance, Oahu County Committee on Legislative Priorities of the Democratic Party of Hawaii, and thirty-nine individuals.  Your Committee received testimony in opposition to this measure from the National Rifle Association of America, Honolulu County Republican Party, 2A Hawaii, Hawaii Rifle Association, Hawaii Hunting Association, Institute for Rational and Evidence-based Legislation, and more than four hundred fifty individuals.  Your Committee received comments on this measure from two individuals.

     Your Committee finds that the shooter in the October 1, 2017, Las Vegas shooting used a device, commonly known as a "bump stock", to manipulate the trigger mechanism on a semi-automatic rifle in such a way as to allow a rate of fire comparable to a fully automatic firearm.  Your Committee further finds that the State has a compelling interest in limiting the availability of such devices to promote the safety of the public and reduce the risk of firearm violence in Hawaii.  Your Committee additionally finds that the definition of "trigger modification device" in this measure is unnecessarily complicated and limiting.  Your Committee notes that House Bill No. 1908 H.D.1, Regular Session of 2018, contains new statutory language that is substantively similar but more flexible.

     Accordingly, your Committee has amended this measure by:

     (1)  Removing language prohibiting ownership of trigger modification devices;

     (2)  Inserting language from House Bill No. 1908 H.D.1, Regular Session of 2018, establishing the manufacture, import, sale, gift, lending, or possession of any multiburst trigger activator as a class C felony;

     (3)  Defining "multiburst trigger activator" to mean:

          (A)  A device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of the trigger; or

          (B)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire; and

     (4)  Inserting an effective date of July 1, 2050, to encourage further discussion.

    As affirmed by the record of votes of the members of your Committee on Judiciary that is attached to this report, your Committee is in accord with the intent and purpose of S.B. No. 2046, as amended herein, and recommends that it pass Third Reading in the form attached hereto as S.B. No. 2046, S.D. 1.

Respectfully submitted on behalf of the members of the Committee on Judiciary,

_______________________________

BRIAN T. TANIGUCHI, Chair



Heavies

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #245 on: March 03, 2018, 12:17:50 AM »
Last I heard they haven't completed the investigation of the LV shooting, and haven't heard any evidence that a bump stock was actually used in that crime.  I didn't know that having a certain item in that area automatically means it was used.....

punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #246 on: March 03, 2018, 06:10:03 AM »
Last I heard they haven't completed the investigation of the LV shooting, and haven't heard any evidence that a bump stock was actually used in that crime.  I didn't know that having a certain item in that area automatically means it was used.....
Yeah, based on the existing information about the Vegas murders you'd think one definite law they would propose would be to ban the sale of "battlefield weapons of war" to white males over the age of 60, right? That makes as much sense as any of their other "proposals", and would do just a much "public safety" "good" re future murders and murderers.

London808

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #247 on: March 03, 2018, 09:11:21 AM »
Last I heard they haven't completed the investigation of the LV shooting, and haven't heard any evidence that a bump stock was actually used in that crime.  I didn't know that having a certain item in that area automatically means it was used.....

I always though it strange he had bump sticks on rifles with bipods. Wouldn’t that stop it working
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Heavies

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #248 on: March 03, 2018, 11:28:14 AM »
I always though it strange he had bump sticks on rifles with bipods. Wouldn’t that stop it working

I am not a bump stock owner, but with a device that works on free recoil, at the least, it would seriously impede operation, I'm thinking.  Don't know for sure.

zippz

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #249 on: March 03, 2018, 11:56:39 AM »
Gun still recoils with a bipod.  Either the bipod slides on the table or it will swivel back and forth.

tillamook

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #250 on: March 03, 2018, 03:17:43 PM »
I always though it strange he had bump sticks on rifles with bipods. Wouldn’t that stop it working

Works better with a bipod.  I made a "bump SAW" which was an attempt to make a more reliable bipod based rifle with a bump stock.  (poor mans SAW)
I never got very good with it but my son was very good. 


Jl808

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #251 on: March 04, 2018, 09:40:35 AM »
S 3/2/2018: 48 Hrs. Notice 03-06-18.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_SD1_.pdf   
SB2046 SD1   Firearms; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Prohibited   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators. Defines multiburst trigger activator as a device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of a trigger; or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire. Effective 7/1/2050. (SD1)   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC
I think, therefore I am armed.
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Jl808

Re: OPPOSE: SB 2046 (Trigger Mod / Bumpstock Ban)
« Reply #252 on: March 04, 2018, 09:42:05 AM »
S 3/2/2018: 48 Hrs. Notice 03-06-18.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_SD1_.pdf   
SB2046 SD1   Firearms; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Prohibited   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators. Defines multiburst trigger activator as a device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of a trigger; or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire. Effective 7/1/2050. (SD1)   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC
I think, therefore I am armed.
NRA Life Patron member, HRA Life member, HiFiCo Life Member, HDF member

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punaperson

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #253 on: March 04, 2018, 11:56:33 AM »
SB2046, HD1 is now posted. It does have some of the same language as HB1908 HD2, but leaves out a lot of what is in HB1908, D2:

SECTION 1.  Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part I to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

    "§134-    Multiburst trigger activator; prohibition.  (a)  Any person in this State who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator shall be guilty of a class C felony.

     (b)  As used in this section, "multiburst trigger activator" means:

     (1)  A device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of the trigger; or

     (2)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire."


     SECTION 2.  This Act does not affect rights and duties that matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were begun before its effective date.

     SECTION 3.  New statutory material is underscored.

changemyoil66

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #254 on: March 04, 2018, 01:51:15 PM »
Does section 2 mean grandfather?

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ren

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #255 on: March 04, 2018, 02:08:16 PM »
Works better with a bipod.  I made a "bump SAW" which was an attempt to make a more reliable bipod based rifle with a bump stock.  (poor mans SAW)
I never got very good with it but my son was very good. 



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z06psi

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #256 on: March 05, 2018, 07:30:43 AM »
Does section 2 mean grandfather?

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I think so.

Heavies

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #257 on: March 05, 2018, 08:17:55 AM »
Does section 2 mean grandfather?

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How would "they" know you got it pre/post ban?  You can mailorder these LEGAL items.  There is no current law preventing you...

rpoL98

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #258 on: March 05, 2018, 12:32:41 PM »
if it does mean "grandfathered", then everybody and their brother is going to be ordering these up right now, and saving the receipt.  effective date sometime in May.

doesn't make sense.  what's new.

2ahavvaii

Re: *UPDATE*SB 2046: PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS (02/27/18)
« Reply #259 on: March 05, 2018, 08:58:36 PM »
I always took that statement as a disclaimer that if you are arrested for some fire arm related offense before the law takes effect,  any loophole wording in the new law wouldn't get you off,  as the previous version of the law applies to you.  The legal proceedings and criminal charges already commenced before the effective date