I'll find out about grandfathering tomorrow.

Does section 2 mean grandfather?

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 No. It standard in Hawaii legislative changes. It means if you were arrested for a crime pre change you couldn’t be charged with the new one as it happened before the change

For example of possession was a misdemeanor and you were arrested, then whilst waiting for your trial the law changed to make it a felony. You couldn’t be convicted of the felony.

It’s included because they are modifying a sedition and not adding a new section.

Just to point out with its current wording this law does one of 2 things.

It bans semi automatic firearms or it doesn’t ban anything.

Interesting article on authors proposed wording:

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/reasonable-gun-regulation-for-all-of-us/

"Rather than attempting to list all of the different technical, jargon-based and/or colloquial terminology used to describe these kinds of modifications (which will allow for endless permutations and workarounds), let’s make it crystal clear that “any and all modifications that have the effect of increasing the rate-of-fire of any firearm beyond its factory manufactured rate are banned, and any individual found to have purchased, sold, imported, built or installed such a modification device on a firearm shall be guilty of a Class C felony,” while “any and all modifications to the trigger of a firearm that reduce the amount of force needed to pull said trigger, and that also have no effect whatsoever on the rate-of-fire of said firearm, shall be exempt from this statute.”"

Interesting article on authors proposed wording:

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/reasonable-gun-regulation-for-all-of-us/

"Rather than attempting to list all of the different technical, jargon-based and/or colloquial terminology used to describe these kinds of modifications (which will allow for endless permutations and workarounds), let’s make it crystal clear that “any and all modifications that have the effect of increasing the rate-of-fire of any firearm beyond its factory manufactured rate are banned, and any individual found to have purchased, sold, imported, built or installed such a modification device on a firearm shall be guilty of a Class C felony,” while “any and all modifications to the trigger of a firearm that reduce the amount of force needed to pull said trigger, and that also have no effect whatsoever on the rate-of-fire of said firearm, shall be exempt from this statute.”"

is that the guy that was crying at the hearing?
"millennials are getting KILLED"

Interesting article on authors proposed wording:

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/reasonable-gun-regulation-for-all-of-us/

"Rather than attempting to list all of the different technical, jargon-based and/or colloquial terminology used to describe these kinds of modifications (which will allow for endless permutations and workarounds), let’s make it crystal clear that “any and all modifications that have the effect of increasing the rate-of-fire of any firearm beyond its factory manufactured rate are banned, and any individual found to have purchased, sold, imported, built or installed such a modification device on a firearm shall be guilty of a Class C felony,” while “any and all modifications to the trigger of a firearm that reduce the amount of force needed to pull said trigger, and that also have no effect whatsoever on the rate-of-fire of said firearm, shall be exempt from this statute.”"

But I do want machine guns so I definitely find your ban on bump stocks unreasonable.

is that the guy that was crying at the hearing?
"millennials are getting KILLED"

Huh huh huh.
Probably.

Im for banning crazy people but this state has a certain affection for them regardless if they murdered people. They keep letting them out and giving them money and shit.
No matter what we ban crazy is still there to kill.

He starts off by being factually wrong in the first sentence. What can you expect after that? Fourteen students were murdered, not 17, along with three staff members. But details (facts) don't matter to the Social Justice Young Progressives who Demand Action.

I won't bother to go into all the problems and false assumptions he declares, but...

“...any and all modifications that have the effect of increasing the rate-of-fire of any firearm beyond its factory manufactured rate are banned..."

London808 made a variation on this point earlier. There is no such thing as a "factory manufactured rate". How do you make something that doesn't exist the standard? The rate of fire depends on the operator... compare a newb to Jerry Miculek. I'd guess Jerry's "factory manufactured rate" would be at least 3 or 4 TIMES that of the newb. But like I said, facts don't matter to these people, they just make shit up out of ignorance and think they're solving a problem in some clever way.

And there are many people that have sound legal and statistical arguments that all the NFA restrictions are unconstitutional and unwarranted by any rational standard based upon the evidence of the effect on public safety of making such items illegal or difficult/expensive to acquire.

I said I wasn't going to get into all his poor arguments...

"No one is talking about taking away legally obtained firearms that are appropriate for hunting, self-defense or legal gun sports."

None of those reasons are for the 2A.  Not a damn one.

"No one is talking about taking away legally obtained firearms that are appropriate for hunting, self-defense or legal gun sports."

None of those reasons are for the 2A.  Not a damn one.

I'm curious about the illegal gun sports. 

Think of all the stuff you aren't allowed to do at Koko Head that's normal pretty much everywhere else.

"No one is talking about taking away legally obtained firearms that are appropriate for hunting, self-defense or legal gun sports."

None of those reasons are for the 2A.  Not a damn one.

SCOTUS would disagree on self defense. Unless you believe that its only applicable to the militia

3/6/2018   S   Report adopted; Passed Third Reading, as amended (SD 1). Ayes, 25; Aye(s) with reservations: none . Noes, 0 (none). Excused, 0 (none). Transmitted to House.
3/6/2018   H   Received from Senate (Sen. Com. No. 73) in amended form (SD 1).

3 Anti-2A Bills crossed over yesterday.  HB1908, SB2046, SB2436

H 3/6/2018: Received from Senate (Sen. Com. No. 73) in amended form (SD 1).   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_SD1_.pdf   
SB2046 SD1   Firearms; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Prohibited   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators. Defines multiburst trigger activator as a device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of a trigger; or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire. Effective 7/1/2050. (SD1)   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC   

Given that it passed the house, should we be calling our district's senators now to express our opposition?

edit: Nevermind, I'm mixing this up with the house version of the bill, HB 1908

H 3/8/2018: Referred to JUD, referral sheet 35   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_SD1_.pdf   
SB2046 SD1   Firearms; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Prohibited   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators. Defines multiburst trigger activator as a device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of a trigger; or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire. Effective 7/1/2050. (SD1)   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   JUD   

Haha. Our government at work serving us: They just sent out an email at 1:13 PM announcing that they had added SB2046 to TODAY's JUD committee hearing at 2 PM!!!!!! 

That means they gave us 47 minutes to submit "late" testimony!!!!!!!!! 

You've now got 6 minutes left!!!!!!!! 


SB2046 SD1   

RELATING TO FIREARMS.

Prohibits multiburst trigger activators.  Defines multiburst trigger activator as a device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of a trigger; or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire.  Effective 7/1/2050.  (SD1)

Did they merge the 2 bills?

Did they merge the 2 bills?

No. It's still a completely separate bill.

They just wanted to make sure that you were watching your email inbox constantly so that when they gave citizens a 47 minute heads up to the committee hearing you'd have plenty of time to ask your boss if you could leave the office RIGHT NOW in order to get to the committee to testify.

Gotta love these folks and how they "serve" us.