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HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously (Read 70471 times)

punaperson

HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« on: February 09, 2018, 04:00:48 PM »
Who writes this crap? Or is it deliberately so vague and unintelligible to the real world of firearms that it can mean anything they want it to mean? Evil. Pure evil. Two weeks ago I wrote several of the "introducers" of this bill and asked them to define "burst" and/or "multiburst"... no surprise at all, but...crickets.

Testimony due by Monday 2 PM.

Summary and status: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1908

Bill Text: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_.HTM

"§134-    Multiburst trigger activator; prohibition.  (a)  Any person in this State who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator shall be guilty of a class C felony.

     (b)  As used in this section, "multiburst trigger activator" means:

     (1)  A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device; or

     (2)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm."

HB1908   

Measure Title:   RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title:   Prohibited; Multiburst Trigger Activators
Description:   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators.
Companion:   
Package:   None
Current Referral:   JUD, CPC
Introducer(s):   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, ING, KEOHOKALOLE, LOPRESTI, LOWEN, NISHIMOTO, SAY

Sort by Date       Status Text
1/18/2018   H   Pending introduction.
1/19/2018   H   Introduced and Pass First Reading.
1/22/2018   H   Referred to JUD, CPC, referral sheet 4
2/9/2018   H   Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Tuesday, 02-13-18 2:00PM in House conference room 325.
 

COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

Rep. Scott Y. Nishimoto, Chair

Rep. Joy A. San Buenaventura, Vice Chair

 

Rep. Tom Brower

Rep. Gregg Takayama

Rep. Chris Lee

Rep. Bob McDermott

Rep. Dee Morikawa

Rep. Cynthia Thielen

 

NOTICE OF HEARING

DATE: Tuesday, February 13, 2018

TIME: 2 p.m.

PLACE: Conference Room 325

State Capitol

415 South Beretania Street

« Last Edit: March 06, 2018, 08:39:48 PM by punaperson »
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drck1000

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 04:54:05 PM »
Must be watching too many video games...
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macsak

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 05:03:48 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on February 09, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
Must be watching too many video games...

anyone have an idea how to testify against this? it's more specific, but still says "increase the rate of fire"
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macsak

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 05:05:11 PM »
Quote from: macsak on February 09, 2018, 05:03:48 PM
anyone have an idea how to testify against this? it's more specific, but still says "increase the rate of fire"

i'm thinking "actually enforce the laws that are already in place, stop releasing violent criminals"
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changemyoil66

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 05:30:49 PM »
This one seems to exclude lighter triggers, but more things that attach to a trigger.

How does 3 round burts selector work for military rifles? Im thinking u hold the trigger down and it allows the hammer to strike 3x then locks the hammer back. After thr 3rd strike. If this is true, then "burst" means 1 trigger pull, multiple hammer strikes. So a bump stock doesnt fit this definition because the strigger resets still (1 press, 1 round).

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tillamook

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 06:39:33 PM »
what?  that would make the firearm a machine gun which would make it already illegal. 

This bill is fine.  Let them pass stuff that makes already illegal stuff illegal.  That is fine if they want to waste doing that. 

You know what they should make illegal?  Murder
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ren

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 06:41:51 PM »
they should write a bill that would redefine murder and other crimes.
A real crime bill that defines criminals and all crime >:D :wacko:
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Heavies

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 06:59:27 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
This one seems to exclude lighter triggers, but more things that attach to a trigger.

How does 3 round burts selector work for military rifles? Im thinking u hold the trigger down and it allows the hammer to strike 3x then locks the hammer back. After thr 3rd strike. If this is true, then "burst" means 1 trigger pull, multiple hammer strikes. So a bump stock doesnt fit this definition because the strigger resets still (1 press, 1 round).

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Activate the trigger once, 3 rounds exit the muzzle.  read "machine gun" 

Any other legal device that can be installed is legal because for one activation, one round is expelled.  The ATF approved all these devices for this FACT. 

They cannot make a definition of "increase the rate of fire" because all these legal devices do not increase the rate of fire.  It still is and will always be one round per activation. 

Only way they can truly ban something is to name it explicitly and the mode of operation for each and every device. 
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Heavies

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 07:05:12 PM »
Quote from: macsak on February 09, 2018, 05:03:48 PM
anyone have an idea how to testify against this? it's more specific, but still says "increase the rate of fire"

I wouldn't give them much on this one.  Maybe something like this?

"Representatives,

Multiburst triggers "machine guns" are already regulated federally and banned specifically in Hawaii.  This bill just repeats the language that bans automatic weapons in the state of Hawaii.  Oppose this bill and please consider working on bills that will actually prevent crimes and catching /incarcerating criminals. 

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem in this state.

Thank you.
Heavies"
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PalisadesKid

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 07:09:09 PM »
Maybe their trying something new. By writing a bill that is so poorly written with Star Wars-like verbiage, maybe they assume it will be difficult to write testimony against it? LOL ....

Anyway, submitted mine tonight:

"I oppose this bill as any law-abiding citizen should be able to decipher the language within ANY bill put forth with the intention of ruling over the people. Aside from another attempt at an infringement on constitutional rights, HB 1908 contains a myriad of verbiage that carries no distinction or true definition. "Burst" is to be defined as what exact "rate of fire"?

On this basis alone, this bill, as is SB 2046 and the majority of other anti-second amendment bills in this current legislative session, has vague language in what appears to be purposeful to effect law-abiding citizens in another annual attempt to mitigate the second amendment rights of the law-abiding."
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changemyoil66

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 07:09:33 PM »
How about we all vote support since its making something already illegal, illegal again?

Checkmate.

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Heavies

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 07:11:00 PM »
Quote from: PalisadesKid on February 09, 2018, 07:09:09 PM
Maybe their trying something new. By writing a bill that is so poorly written with Star Wars-like verbiage, maybe they assume it will be difficult to write testimony against it? LOL ....

Anyway, submitted mine tonight:

"I oppose this bill as any law-abiding citizen should be able to decipher the language within ANY bill put forth with the intention of ruling over the people. Aside from another attempt at an infringement on constitutional rights, HB 1908 contains a myriad of verbiage that carries no distinction or true definition. "Burst" is to be defined as what exact "rate of fire"?

On this basis alone, this bill, as is SB 2046 and the majority of other anti-second amendment bills in this current legislative session, has vague language in what appears to be purposeful to effect law-abiding citizens in another annual attempt to mitigate the second amendment rights of the law-abiding."
well said..  I like it.
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zippz

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 07:11:22 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
How does 3 round burts selector work for military rifles? Im thinking u hold the trigger down and it allows the hammer to strike 3x then locks the hammer back. After thr 3rd strike. If this is true, then "burst" means 1 trigger pull, multiple hammer strikes. So a bump stock doesnt fit this definition because the strigger resets still (1 press, 1 round).


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Heavies

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2018, 07:13:18 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
How about we all vote support since its making something already illegal, illegal again?

Checkmate.

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Lol.  all good until they start just making up whatever rule they want cause the law says..  haha. Maybe,  one round per second, anything faster is considered a "burst"  Next thing you know "one round bursts" will be illegal.
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changemyoil66

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 07:36:18 PM »
On a serious note, shall we support this? So they feel like they get a win and drop the issue until next year when more infringments come along.

 The other bills suck even more and are way more vague.

Like i mentioned, i was told "some sort of bump stock bill will pass".

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Heavies

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 10:25:46 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
On a serious note, shall we support this? So they feel like they get a win and drop the issue until next year when more infringments come along.

 The other bills suck even more and are way more vague.

Like i mentioned, i was told "some sort of bump stock bill will pass".

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I would never support it.  If I felt it wouldn't be harmful, maybe ignore it, but that is already what the majority of gun owners do now...  and chip chip chip  away goes your rights.  JMHO
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aieahound

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 10:36:32 PM »
Quote from: tillamook on February 09, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
what?  that would make the firearm a machine gun which would make it already illegal. 

This bill is fine.  Let them pass stuff that makes already illegal stuff illegal.  That is fine if they want to waste doing that. 

You know what they should make illegal?  Murder

+1
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PalisadesKid

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 10:56:37 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
On a serious note, shall we support this? So they feel like they get a win and drop the issue until next year when more infringments come along.

 The other bills suck even more and are way more vague.

Like i mentioned, i was told "some sort of bump stock bill will pass".

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No way. That's not how THEY think. Give them an inch and they take a light year, or they try to. They're not going to stop until we're left with single shot .22lr rifles and .22 revolvers.
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punaperson

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2018, 01:17:51 PM »
One click way to email all reps on JUD re HB1908 via NRA-ILA:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180210/hawaii-trigger-modification-bill-scheduled-for-hearing

Hawaii: Trigger Modification Bill Scheduled for Hearing

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2018

On Tuesday, February 13, the House Committee on Judiciary has scheduled to hear House Bill 1908, legislation prohibiting certain trigger modifications. Contact members of the Committee and urge their opposition to HB 1908 by clicking on the take action button below. [Go to above link to submit emails to all committee members.]

Also, please consider submitting testimony to the committee through the Hawaii Legislature website.  In order to submit testimony, you will need to create an account.  For help creating an account and submitting testimony, click here.

House Bill 1908, introduced by Representative Gregg Takayama (D-34), would make it a felony for any person who “manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses” certain trigger modifications. The broad language of this bill could encompass many common modifications done by law-abiding gun owners to make their firearms more suitable for self-defense, competition, hunting, or even overcoming disability.

On Thursday, the House Committee on Public Safety passed House Bill 2228 with amendments. House Bill 2228 will now move to the Judiciary committee where it has yet to be scheduled for a hearing.

House Bill 2228, sponsored by Representative Gregg Takayama (D-34), is similar to SB 2436, dramatically reducing the time period a prohibited person, whether temporarily or permanently prohibited, has to comply with the current requirement to surrender their firearms from 30 days to 24 hours.  This expedited time period could subject an individual, who may have nothing more than allegations as the basis for the prohibition, to an unfettered search of their home and/or business within days of being accused; all this without taking into account the many issues surrounding “surrender statutes” in general, including possible violations of an individual’s right against self-incrimination.
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edster48

Re: Testimony Due Monday for HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »
"Multiburst Trigger Activator"

I can't get over the base stupidity of this.
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