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macsak

DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« on: March 04, 2018, 07:22:24 PM »
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zippz

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 07:35:11 PM »
Can't wait to see what accommodations they'll make for a 2a rights walkout.
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punaperson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 08:09:28 PM »
Quote from: zippz on March 04, 2018, 07:35:11 PM
Can't wait to see what accommodations they'll make for a 2a rights walkout.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm sure the school administrators and teachers all welcome and support diversity of values and political positions, right? I wonder if there are enough (any?) students holding such politically incorrect views to even stage anything remotely resembling a "walkout"? Might look more like "a few students had to simultaneously take bathroom breaks". Not to mention that any supportive faculty member would have to remain totally incognito or face the wrath of the machine. But... zippz... you should organize it... in your spare time!  :shaka:
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ren

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 08:15:26 PM »
Yep. Leave those "gun free zones" it's a trap anyways.
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oldfart

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 10:14:35 PM »
I pay taxes for my kid to go to school to learn, not to protest.
If kids want to protest they can do it after school so as not to disrupt the kids who are trying to actually learn something.
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edster48

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 06:20:50 AM »
Quote from: zippz on March 04, 2018, 07:35:11 PM
Can't wait to see what accommodations they'll make for a 2a rights walkout.

Quote from: oldfart on March 04, 2018, 10:14:35 PM
I pay taxes for my kid to go to school to learn, not to protest.
If kids want to protest they can do it after school so as not to disrupt the kids who are trying to actually learn something.

Both of you are on point.

Can you imagine how loud the squealing sound of triggered liberals would be if conservatives were to attempt the same thing in support of 2A rights?

Cries of "Abuse of power and government resources" would resound in the capitol and in TV interviews. Protests would be organized. We would be accused of being "Nazi's" and  "Trying to subvert 'The Children' for political gain".

Yet, it's all "AOK" as long as these same actions of indoctrination are performed in the name of their agenda.

This bullshit is wrong. It needs to end, now.

We cannot sit back and allow it anymore. Write to our brain damaged Governor, the DOE, and your legislators and demand that this be stopped.

We need to stuff a monkey wrench up the ass of their Rainbow Unicorn. I'm tired of glitter.
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zippz

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 07:40:30 AM »
Quote from: punaperson on March 04, 2018, 08:09:28 PM
I wonder if there are enough (any?) students holding such politically incorrect views to even stage anything remotely resembling a "walkout"?

There wouldn't be enough students for a 2a rights walkout due to the brainwashing they get in school.  It'd take 5 to 10 years of aggressive work to get something going.

In trying to work something at the college level but its difficult just getting started.
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Rocky

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 09:47:03 AM »
Quote from: zippz on March 05, 2018, 07:40:30 AM
There wouldn't be enough students for a 2a rights walkout due to the brainwashing they get in school.  It'd take 5 to 10 years of aggressive work to get something going.

In trying to work something at the college level but its difficult just getting started.


Are you kidding ?
In either case, with as many days off Hawaii students get along with reduced school hours, they'd jump at the chance to get out of school and the teachers take off early. :D :D :D
And they wonder why Hawaii is on the lowest level of the academic totem pole  :wacko:
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punaperson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 10:02:08 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on March 05, 2018, 09:47:03 AM

Are you kidding ?
In either case, with as many days off Hawaii students get along with reduced school hours, they'd jump at the chance to get out of school and the teachers take off early. :D :D :D
And they wonder why Hawaii is on the lowest level of the academic totem pole  :wacko:
I believe Arkansas beat Hawaii to the bottom of the list the past couple of years. 49th. Something to be proud of for sure. That's why Ige et al. can claim "improvements" during their tenure.  :rofl:
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oldfart

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 10:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on March 05, 2018, 09:47:03 AM

Are you kidding ?
In either case, with as many days off Hawaii students get along with reduced school hours, they'd jump at the chance to get out of school and the teachers take off early. :D :D :D
And they wonder why Hawaii is on the lowest level of the academic totem pole  :wacko:
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exactly what my coworkers said last night when this news story came out....

hell, if I was a kid I would walk out too....just to get out of class.
Especially if Kishimoto is going to be so accomodating
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aieahound

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 11:57:40 AM »
Does anyone have kids in public school?
Kids who share our 2A support attitude?
I have 2. (1's a freshman who wouldn't rock any boat though)
I'm thinking preparing flyers they could pass out at the rally.
Maybe 1 that brings the mental health issues to light and has resources for getting help or reporting issues they might see.
( although that didn't help in Florida)
Another with a picture of a gun printed on it and questions teachers: shouldn't you support concealed carry so you can help protect us if you choose to do so. Do our lives not matter? And hand that one to the teachers and admin.
Just spitballin'

I'll have to discuss this with my kids.

Side note:
And our education system is not so bad.
Kids get out what they put in. Point fingers at parents. Or Hawaii's social make up.
GLO #1: self-directed learner.
My experience anyway.
If you have a kid in public school and don't know what GLO's are.....
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 03:23:46 PM by aieahound »
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Kuleana

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 03:09:53 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on March 04, 2018, 10:14:35 PM
I pay taxes for my kid to go to school to learn, not to protest.
If kids want to protest they can do it after school so as not to disrupt the kids who are trying to actually learn something.

I respectfully disagree.

I pay taxes for Hawaii's children to go to school to learn and, if possible, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  What better way for them to learn about the First Amendment than actually participating in a protest?  If they have very responsive parents, the parents will learn of whatever the subject matter of that protest and discuss it with their child.

Being made aware of the nature of protests goes a long way to creating an informed populace of the most pressing issues facing society and that's good for democracy.


Kuleana
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London808

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 03:23:44 PM »
Quote from: zippz on March 05, 2018, 07:40:30 AM
There wouldn't be enough students for a 2a rights walkout due to the brainwashing they get in school.  It'd take 5 to 10 years of aggressive work to get something going.

In trying to work something at the college level but its difficult just getting started.

Posted this to Facebook this morning.

I think I’ve finally worked out why the left does nothing about school shootings.

They want them to happen.

Instead of doing something meaningful, like securing our schools, looking at the cause or working on better mental health. They actually like/want these shootings to happen. Why?

They are running a long con. They want kids in schools today to fear for their safety to think that they can die at any time because people own guns. They lie about the cause, they lie about the statistics, they even lie about the guns themselves.

This means that in 10-20 years time they will be able to push for gun control to a bunch of voters who are scared and misinformed and they will finally be able to get their way.

They are literally letting kids die to push their agenda.
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London808

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 03:35:40 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on March 05, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
I respectfully disagree.

I pay taxes for Hawaii's children to go to school to learn and, if possible, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  What better way for them to learn about the First Amendment than actually participating in a protest?  If they have very responsive parents, the parents will learn of whatever the subject matter of that protest and discuss it with their child.

Being made aware of the nature of protests goes a long way to creating an informed populace of the most pressing issues facing society and that's good for democracy.


Kuleana

Tinker v. Des Moines : Students rights to free speech can be infringed if that action  "would materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school"

under the doctrine of Rational basis review students leaving class to hold a protest on school property would be disruptive to the school environment and the learning ability of others. Hence a breach of discipline.

These protests have nothing to do with Free speech and in fact are aimed at pushing an agenda that would infringe on other rights.
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Kuleana

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 03:43:04 PM »
Quote from: London808 on March 05, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
These protests have nothing to do with Free speech and in fact are aimed at pushing an agenda that would infringe on other rights.

The fact that the proposed protests have nothinng to do with Free Speech is not the point.  Suppose Zipps wanted to organize a similar event with the DOE in favor of protecting the Second Amendment.

What then?  What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

The problem with a number of gun owners in Hawaii is that they love their Second Amemndment rights, but some are very lazy and uninterested in exercising their First Amendment rights to protect their Second.  You can't blame the other side for doing what they are doing, if they are not preventing supporters of the Second Amendment from doing the same tactics and/or protests.

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kala201

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 03:44:04 PM »
Sad and pathetic is what this is.  Everyone who posted is exactly right.  I wish I was still a DOE teacher.  I would proudly rep 2A support swag and display my NRA lifetime member status.  If my wife taught for the DOE, she teaches for a private school, I would encourage her to do the same.

I read the article that Mac linked to.  What’s even more disturbing is the school admins quoted are from the Big Island.  I have family on the Big Island and so does my wife.  Quite a few of them are avid hunters.  They all have rifles and hand guns.  I have extended ohana who are ranchers and they all have guns.  All their kids are brought up around firearms as a means to protect and provide for their families.  This is utter BS that our so called education system is promoting.

What’s even more sad is that Konawaena used to, not sure if they still do, have an awesome riflery team.  If I’m not mistaken some of the state champs came from that school.  A handful of kids actually got full ride scholarships to college for their marksmanship skills too.  I’m sad to see the Big Island schools buy into the anti-gun hype so much.
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Kuleana

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 03:50:57 PM »
Quote from: London808 on March 05, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
Tinker v. Des Moines : Students rights to free speech can be infringed if that action  "would materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school"

under the doctrine of Rational basis review students leaving class to hold a protest on school property would be disruptive to the school environment and the learning ability of others. Hence a breach of discipline.


Looking for legal technicalities to stop anti-Second Amendment activities, in this case, at DOE schools is a valid, but very low road to respond to such planned protests.  The high road would to use their tactics back at them like how Zipps is trying to at the college level.
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London808

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 04:54:44 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on March 05, 2018, 03:50:57 PM

Looking for legal technicalities to stop anti-Second Amendment activities, in this case, at DOE schools is a valid, but very low road to respond to such planned protests.  The high road would to use their tactics back at them like how Zipps is trying to at the college level.

Its not a legal Technicality its Case law. You would never be able to have a pro second amendment event at any school in Hawaii and they would use the same case law to protect them.
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Kuleana

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 05:54:30 PM »
Quote from: London808 on March 05, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
Its not a legal Technicality its Case law. You would never be able to have a pro second amendment event at any school in Hawaii and they would use the same case law to protect them.

Let them try.

If the goal of a protest is to create an awareness of an important issue, then so be it.  So what if the anti-Second Amendment crowd gets uncomfortable, that is what protests are suppose to do.  They are conducted to get people out of their comfort zone and made conscious of those societal issues that need their attention.
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ren

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2018, 07:37:07 PM »
They should walk out on themselves
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37652644/federal-review-1-in-3-hawaii-public-school-students-say-theyve-been-bullied

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37651293/bullying-survivor-tells-hawaii-students-standing-quietly-by-is-no-solution

I think that bullying is a part of growing up - part of character. It's painful but its a necessary life phase to learn.
Now we are teaching our kids to be defenseless. Play the victim. Let govt. take care.
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