DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings (Read 60549 times)

aieahound

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2018, 02:02:25 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 02:45:41 PM by aieahound »

zippz

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2018, 02:39:34 PM »
Under 18 students do have rights but they can be restricted for safety and maintaining a learning environment since they're minors and presumably dont know what they're doing.

There's been some court cases like what kind of shirts they can wear and can they opt out of the pledge of allegiance.

Kuleana

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2018, 04:04:23 PM »
Sorry if this is late to the discussion, I type...very...slowly.

Very respectfully disagree with you Kuleana, you make a good argument.  Really had to think about this one.

As was stated before,  the right to free speech is guaranteed and all of us agree, support and practice that daily.  What is annoying is that the DOE is selectively endorsing an anti-2a speech (and also endorsing incorrect information) by removing all reasonable consequences.  I mean consequences which could be considered a punishment but I think of them to be slightly different.  If you want to skip class to exercise free speech, then I don't want you thrown in jail, expelled or tazed, but I expect the class to continue as normal.  The student will miss attendance and be put in detention, miss the content of today's lecture and possibly receive a poor grade on that subject if they later fail the quiz/test.  When the DOE stops classes and helps to organize the walk out, they are endorsing the political view and removing the reasonable consequences.  The students are kids, so we should all try to remember how we thought back then...super impulsive and always up for a "field trip".  We would hope, however, that the adults in charge would hold themselves to a higher standard and teach the kids some responsibility for their actions.  Furthermore, by proposing that there be no consequences for exercising free speech in school, we could effectively end education as we know it.  Everyday, many students would feel the need to "exercise" that right without fear of any consequences.  "I want to go protest such and such, I am leaving.  Mr/Mrs. Teacher, you must now stop class for x minutes so I can speak freely." Next student does the same etc...class never resumes.

First of all, I never said students should be exempt from violating school policies.  The point I was trying to make was the act itself, whether be it a protest/walkout, should not be prevented.  If there are consequences in participating in either activity, students and their parents be ready to accept them.

Second, I agree with your rationale and am very disappointed with the ulterior motives of the anti-gunners who are yet using another tragedy to further their agenda.  However, the fact of the matter is that the walkout tomorrow is only 17 minutes long, roughly the length of time a trip to the bathroom and back to class.  If this event were longer in duration or something to be held on multiple days, I would agree that the event is more anti-gun propaganda than paying reverence to those students lost in Florida.

Notwithstanding, the fact the event is only 17 minutes long, I fear any movement to prevent or derail the walkout would only provide anti-gun groups the evidence they need to demonize pro-gun supporters, particularly to the silent majority, as being insensitive to the memories of the victims the walkout was suppose to honor.


oldfart

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2018, 04:21:31 PM »
I read the memos from kishimoto.

She herself states that this is a social-media based "national" event.
Last time I checked, "National" meant a law or resolution voted on and approved by congress.

I resent my tax dollar being used to fund even 1 minute of some kind of social-media-viral-flash-mob event.

And that is exactly what this is....a flash-mob.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2018, 04:32:15 PM »
Any class time the students miss in a walk-out or protest should be added back into the school calendar.  The schools have to meet standards of minimum instruction time to complete a year.  If they don't, they run the risk of all students not being credited for their classwork that year.

I remember one year the teachers were taking too many meeting and preparation days, which dropped them below the minimum.  Hawaii schools had to continue classes almost a month into the Summer break to make up the shortage of hours.  I don't remember all the details, but it was a problem that had to be corrected before schools could go on break.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/12654564/hawaii-mandates-180-day-school-year

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2018, 04:37:54 PM »
However, the fact of the matter is that the walkout tomorrow is only 17 minutes long, roughly the length of time a trip to the bathroom and back to class.  I
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The motive and duration is irrelevant.
After this event someone in BLM could start a "National" walkout of school day because some black kid got shot.
Let's not stop there....how about a "National" walkout day to protest reverse discrimination of straight white men?
Here in Hawaii, we could start a viral flash-mob walkout to protest the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

And our school system HAS to allow it because they allowed this one.
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rustyeleio

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2018, 04:50:37 PM »
First of all, I never said students should be exempt from violating school policies.  The point I was trying to make was the act itself, whether be it a protest/walkout, should not be prevented.  If there are consequences in participating in either activity, students and their parents be ready to accept them.

Second, I agree with your rationale and am very disappointed with the ulterior motives of the anti-gunners who are yet using another tragedy to further their agenda.  However, the fact of the matter is that the walkout tomorrow is only 17 minutes long, roughly the length of time a trip to the bathroom and back to class.  If this event were longer in duration or something to be held on multiple days, I would agree that the event is more anti-gun propaganda than paying reverence to those students lost in Florida.

Notwithstanding, the fact the event is only 17 minutes long, I fear any movement to prevent or derail the walkout would only provide anti-gun groups the evidence they need to demonize pro-gun supporters, particularly to the silent majority, as being insensitive to the memories of the victims the walkout was suppose to honor.

Wow, you took some long restroom breaks...I kid, I kid :rofl:

I agree that protesting a high school student's activity is not worth it and looks really bad.  It is just so hard to ignore the DOE's unabashed bias and political whoring of these students, using our money no less.  However, the left will advertise our attack on the DOE as an attack on the students, when in fact they are different.  Hard to win because of the "optics" (can't believe I used that word) even though we have principal on our side.  :grrr:

I guess when you say "should not be prevented" you mean physically stopped by force.  Then I agree.  I believe that school policy should be designed to prevent/discourage any activity that takes away from sanctioned activities.  Schools should not be sanctioning protests.  If school policy was not intended to prevent/discourage a student from walking out of class whenever he/she felt like it, then how can you believe that there would be any consequences?   

We shall agree to agree on 75%.   :thumbsup:



punaperson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2018, 06:20:59 AM »
Superintendent Art Souza has not responded to my email asking him to provide me with a copy of his announcement to students and parents verifying his quoted statement in the Tribune Herald that  "...there’s no political statements, this is simply to honor the memory of those who lost their lives " How hard would that have been? Here's one from another administrator in another part of the country.

In Pensacola, Florida, Superintendent Malcolm Thomas ordered students to hold an in-school assembly instead, telling them they could discuss voting and mental health issues, but not guns, and saying that political banners would not be allowed.

"You can't make political statements, it can't be a pro-gun or anti-gun assembly," Thomas told the Pensacola News-Journal.

* * * * *
I don't know that Thomas can "legally" make that limitation, and have to wonder if any students will challenge it.

And just to be clear the organizers (#ENOUGH) of this "walkout" have purely political intent, as per their FAQ: "It is important that when we refer to gun violence, we do not overlook the impact of police brutality and militarized policing, or see police in schools as a solution. We also recognize the United States has exported gun violence through imperialist [I thought even the commies had given up on that word!] foreign policy to destabilize other nations. We raise our voices for action against all these forms of gun violence."

Their "demands":

THE PRIORITY POLICIES WE SUPPORT

Banning Assault Weapons & High Capacity Magazines / S. 2095

Expanding Background Checks to All Gun Sales / S 2009

Passing Gun Violence Restraining Order Law / H.R. 2598 /  S. 1212

Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act / S.1856 / H.R. 1556
 

THE PRIORITY POLICIES WE OPPOSE

Conceal Carry Reciprocity HR 38 / S 446

Any legislation that would aim to fortify our schools with more guns.

macsak

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2018, 09:23:29 AM »
https://prepforthat.com/hawaii-school-sends-offensive-walk-out-letter-to-parents/

Superintendent Art Souza has not responded to my email asking him to provide me with a copy of his announcement to students and parents verifying his quoted statement in the Tribune Herald that  "...there’s no political statements, this is simply to honor the memory of those who lost their lives " How hard would that have been? Here's one from another administrator in another part of the country.

In Pensacola, Florida, Superintendent Malcolm Thomas ordered students to hold an in-school assembly instead, telling them they could discuss voting and mental health issues, but not guns, and saying that political banners would not be allowed.

"You can't make political statements, it can't be a pro-gun or anti-gun assembly," Thomas told the Pensacola News-Journal.

* * * * *
I don't know that Thomas can "legally" make that limitation, and have to wonder if any students will challenge it.

And just to be clear the organizers (#ENOUGH) of this "walkout" have purely political intent, as per their FAQ: "It is important that when we refer to gun violence, we do not overlook the impact of police brutality and militarized policing, or see police in schools as a solution. We also recognize the United States has exported gun violence through imperialist [I thought even the commies had given up on that word!] foreign policy to destabilize other nations. We raise our voices for action against all these forms of gun violence."

Their "demands":

THE PRIORITY POLICIES WE SUPPORT

Banning Assault Weapons & High Capacity Magazines / S. 2095

Expanding Background Checks to All Gun Sales / S 2009

Passing Gun Violence Restraining Order Law / H.R. 2598 /  S. 1212

Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act / S.1856 / H.R. 1556
 

THE PRIORITY POLICIES WE OPPOSE

Conceal Carry Reciprocity HR 38 / S 446

Any legislation that would aim to fortify our schools with more guns.

hvybarrels

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mrgaf

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #90 on: March 14, 2018, 12:19:39 PM »
Drove by them little pukes today..... honked my horn a few times and flipped them off as I slowly drove by.. was only bout 10-15.   :thumbsup: :geekdanc: :rofl:
« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 02:05:19 PM by mrgaf »
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punaperson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2018, 12:20:11 PM »
Very lengthy article documenting many "walkouts" around the country includes these three sentences:

“My sense is this represents the overwhelming amount of study body, and there are a number of students who disagree with them,” said Lower Merion School District Superintendent Robert Copeland.

"About a dozen students held a counter-protest, defending the Second Amendment. None of those students commented after their walkout."

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/03/14/delaware-valley-national-walkout-day/

drck1000

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2018, 12:22:00 PM »
Didn’t see anything in PC schools today. Passed by a few elementary schools when the walkout was supposed to be on.

rustyeleio

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #93 on: March 14, 2018, 12:33:18 PM »
Someone I know works at Palisades Elem and they were telling the kids/teachers that they will have a 17 minute remembrance for the people who died.  At least as far as she has heard, not specifically anti gun yet.  I will ask today, about what was actually said. 

drck1000

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2018, 12:44:45 PM »
Someone I know works at Palisades Elem and they were telling the kids/teachers that they will have a 17 minute remembrance for the people who died.  At least as far as she has heard, not specifically anti gun yet.  I will ask today, about what was actually said.
That’s what I heard on the radio this morning as well.

oldfart

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2018, 12:58:52 PM »
Very lengthy article documenting many "walkouts" around the country includes these three sentences:

“My sense is this represents the overwhelming amount of study body, and there are a number of students who disagree with them,” said Lower Merion School District Superintendent Robert Copeland.

"About a dozen students held a counter-protest, defending the Second Amendment. None of those students commented after their walkout."

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/03/14/delaware-valley-national-walkout-day/
......
So some people are planning to protest Smith and Wesson.
Oh wait a minute....is that the same Smith and Wesson that has been defending police officers from criminals for the last hundred years?

Dummies
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punaperson

Re: DOE encouraging students to walk out to protest school shootings
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2018, 02:20:16 PM »
Youth/student involvement in "national issues" in times past...

Hitler Youth was established in 1922 as a paramilitary division of the Nazi Party composed of youth 14 to 18 years of age but included members as young as 10 years old.


“Youth Serves the Leader: All 10-Year-Olds in the Hitler Youth”




http://www.master-of-education.org/10-disturbing-pieces-of-nazi-education-propaganda/

https://meowzedong.weebly.com/propaganda-under-mao-zedong.html

macsak