Here, here KK that's why I haven't said a damn thing about this tread. I want hard evidence before I start "spewing my Hitler like hate" as some bleeding heart liberals on here would say.

I too have not said a word on this due to not having any hard evidence. We can all have our opinions but only those who have an in to the allowable evidence know what the truth is. Just because he is being brought up on charges does not mean he is guilty. We don't have a perfect system but it is what we have. When the real hard evidence comes out you will then know the truth in this matter.

This is how I see things play out:

5.  Martin's family, Obama, Holder, Black Panthers, NAACP, and all the accusers are embarrassed when they find out Treyvan (Obama's kid) was a gangsta druggie

Why is this unsubstantiated accusation OK, and met with no criticism whatsoever, but a theory that puts together the available evidence in a different way, and prefaced with a caveat that that's what it is, met with insults and character assassinations?

I have seen NOTHING that substantiates Treyvon being a "gangsta druggie," except a few scattered reports of him being suspended from high school, which, if that alone means you're a low-life scum, I think a few of us here must be "gangsta druggies" as well. Trayvon's father lived in the same neighborhood that Zimmerman was supposed to be protecting, right? So what even suggests that Treyvan had anything to do with gangs or drugs?

What characteristics of Trayvon are we profiling when we say those things about him? Hm?

Let's say that he was a "gangsta", and that he had had experience with drugs. Is there any evidence that he was engaged in either of those activities at the time this went down? Not that I've seen, and I'm sure someone here would have been very eager to present it if that were the case. So what we've got here are totally unsubstantiated attacks on a dead minor, whom for all we know might have been scared out of his mind and defending himself against someone who may have presented a firearm at him. All in an effort to make it seem like Zimmerman was justified in killing him.

If we're arguing and hoping that Zimmerman was justified, in the interests of 2A, may I remind everyone here that the only thing that would do that is if Zimmerman was defending his life? Whatever moral failings Trayvon may have had, if that's all that comes out in the trial, Zimmerman is going to prison for a very long time. No one is legally or I'd say even morally licensed to kill another individual for being a drug addict, drug dealer, or a gang member. So stop it with these baseless accusations on the dead. It's really ugly, and reflects poorly on this community.

His "nolimitniggah" handle on twitter reflects pretty poorly on his church going character as would like to suggest. The way his friends speak, act, and conducted themselves via twitter and facebook show the quality of people that he hung out with, which in turns, shows to character.
The kid was suspended from school for drugs.  I mean really, get serious... that means you are either buying or dealing at school. Hence, gangsta druggie.  Stop playing the kid up.

If you are scared, you run away from the threat -- not towards; you certainly don't run towards it when you are like right next to your house.   No one said they should shoot someone because they are a drug addict, dealer, or gang member.  The point is that Trayvon showed lots of tendencies and social attributes that lead him to being a mouthy little wanna be thug, which in my opinion, leads well to him approaching another man to handle his beef.

His "nolimitniggah" handle on twitter reflects pretty poorly on his church going character as would like to suggest. The way his friends speak, act, and conducted themselves via twitter and facebook show the quality of people that he hung out with, which in turns, shows to character.
The kid was suspended from school for drugs.  I mean really, get serious... that means you are either buying or dealing at school. Hence, gangsta druggie.  Stop playing the kid up.

If you are scared, you run away from the threat -- not towards; you certainly don't run towards it when you are like right next to your house.   No one said they should shoot someone because they are a drug addict, dealer, or gang member.  The point is that Trayvon showed lots of tendencies and social attributes that lead him to being a mouthy little wanna be thug, which in my opinion, leads well to him approaching another man to handle his beef.

His "nolimitniggah" handle on twitter reflects pretty poorly on his church going character as would like to suggest. The way his friends speak, act, and conducted themselves via twitter and facebook show the quality of people that he hung out with, which in turns, shows to character.
The kid was suspended from school for drugs.  I mean really, get serious... that means you are either buying or dealing at school. Hence, gangsta druggie.  Stop playing the kid up.

If you are scared, you run away from the threat -- not towards; you certainly don't run towards it when you are like right next to your house.   No one said they should shoot someone because they are a drug addict, dealer, or gang member.  The point is that Trayvon showed lots of tendencies and social attributes that lead him to being a mouthy little wanna be thug, which in my opinion, leads well to him approaching another man to handle his beef.

Mr. Baker,

I respect what you are trying to do for the 2A Community in Hawaii but this post in my humble honest opinion makes you look like a jack ass..........

Do you not think that "The powers that be" monitor this board??

I urge you being a leader in the Hawaii 2A Community think before you act, speak, or type......

Aloha....

My post was meant to be satire of the media circus and justice system .  It'll be interesting to get the full facts from the criminal trial, but here are some things that haven't been spotlighted by the media:

I have seen NOTHING that substantiates Treyvon being a "gangsta druggie," except a few scattered reports of him being suspended from high school, which, if that alone means you're a low-life scum, I think a few of us here must be "gangsta druggies" as well.

Trayvon's father lived in the same neighborhood that Zimmerman was supposed to be protecting, right? So what even suggests that Treyvan had anything to do with gangs or drugs?
What characteristics of Trayvon are we profiling when we say those things about him? Hm?
*** Treyvon lived in Miami Gardens, which has some of highest crime rates in the state.  He recently moved to his fathers home because he was suspended from school for suspicion of having drugs.  He was also suspended for vandalism, and possible burglary.  His twitter feed mentioned is an interesting read, definitely not the angel portrayed on TV.

**** not known if he was on drugs, will have to wait for the toxicology tests from the trial.  The problem is, it appears he's already been proven guilty by the family, public, president, and media through false, misleading, and missing information.  Maybe he was unjustified in the shooting, but lets get the facts before putting a bounty on Zimmerman's head.

If we're arguing and hoping that Zimmerman was justified, in the interests of 2A, may I remind everyone here that the only thing that would do that is if Zimmerman was defending his life? Whatever moral failings Trayvon may have had, if that's all that comes out in the trial, Zimmerman is going to prison for a very long time. No one is legally or I'd say even morally licensed to kill another individual for being a drug addict, drug dealer, or a gang member. So stop it with these baseless accusations on the dead. It's really ugly, and reflects poorly on this community.
*** Again facts will come from the trail.  However most of us know he is was arrested and put on trial due to unwarranted public opinion (even though the prosecutor says it's not).  All the evidence used to arrest him as shown in the media and the affidavit is based on falsehoods and opinions. 

This is how I see it portrayed in the media (yes it's satire and exaggerations).  I will title it "Justice for Trayvon": Zimmerman shot the poor innocent black 11 year old angelic boy by the white supremacist police wannabe armed vigilante neighborhood watchman with a troubled past who chased him down despite the police order to stop by 911.  The call to 911 was a plan to coverup this horrible act.  His mumbles on tape were actually racist remarks discovered by analyzing the tape by "experts" which revealed "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.".  Scared Treyvan was attacked so that his earpiece fell out while he was talking to his girlfriend.  Treyvan's youthful screams were heard by neighbors as he was trying to defend his life against his much bigger attacker.  A shot rang out.  Zimmerman quickly rubbed grass stains on his back, punched his nose, and hit his head on the concrete to make as if it was a self-defense shooting.  When neighbors came to the scene, they saw Zimmerman standing above the body, with no remorse and not attempting to help the mortally wounded boy.  Fortunately the police video of the arrest shows that zimmerman didn't injure himself enough to prove self-defense.  The government is building the case against Zimmerman.  The prosecution is so confident in this case that they don't need a grand jury to indict Zimmerman with second degree murder.  Remember, we don't prosecute based on public opinion.

It's understandable that you have an opinion, as does everyone else who's been following this case, but to start labeling someone as a "jackass" because they don't agree with your opinion is pretty uncalled for.

Adversity tends to bring out the true character of a man.

Listening to all the idiots convict Zimmerman and make ignorant statements without knowing the facts is the problem here.

The attitude of the P.O.S. bleeding heart liberals is evident with ignorant posts.

Only instigating idiots even bring this up anyway.

Same soap opera, different idiot.

This entire thread is a trollfest.

http://sadhillnews.com/2012/03/25/the-trayvon-martin-our-government-subsidized-media-wont-let-you-see

Mr. Baker,

I respect what you are trying to do for the 2A Community in Hawaii but this post in my humble honest opinion makes you look like a jack ass..........

Do you not think that "The powers that be" monitor this board??

I urge you being a leader in the Hawaii 2A Community think before you act, speak, or type......

Aloha....

The kid was suspended from school for drugs.  I mean really, get serious... that means you are either buying or dealing at school. Hence, gangsta druggie.  Stop playing the kid up.

If by "playing the kid up" you mean, "saying he wasn't doing anything illegal or immoral at the time Zimmerman reported him to the police and followed him," then we're going to have to agree to disagree. If you mean I've been saying anything other than that, I'd like you to quote where I do.

What, because I am straight forward, and not sugar coating this stuff?  There are lots of injustices in regards to African Americans in the legal system, but if it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck... it's most likely a duck.   I don't have respect for people who do drugs.  I don't do them; I don't hang out with people that do them; and I would throw that little kids ass under the jail if he were alive for having that crap in school (as long as it was a illegal substance in school).  My college education is also in this subject; we have to take few juvenile justice classes.

Have drugs in school, and I consider you to be a little wanna be thug or punk -- no matter what race you are.  And, because MJ is a social drug, it is very likely that he has distributed, purchased, transported or sold that substance in school, which would make him a dealer. 

Zimmerman may have murdered the child, I haven't said it's not possible.  However, I don't think Trayvon was nearly as 'good' as they initially said he was.  My last experience hearing about a "good" kid in Florida was a teenager shooting a police officer 8+ times over a stolen pair of jeans.  Additionally, I also don't think Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murderer; manslaughter maybe (depending on the facts that arise).

You are trying to say the kid wasn't a wanna be gangster and that we are just slamming him.

He got suspended from school for drugs, and his twitter reeks of 'wannabe thug' talk.  Many of us are saying, get real, he appears to be a wanna be thug.   That status, and the attitude that accompanies it, has LOTS of bearing on what might have happened.

The million dollar question to me is:
Scared children run.  How did the distance gap between shooter and victim decrease unless someone decided to swap roles and re-establish the approach?