Like I said, what Trump is doing isn't free trade. Trump said he wanted free trade and he is doing the opposite.

I never said I was a hard liner on free trade though. Whether it is a good idea or not and whether it is realistic or not is a separate and reasonable discussion though.

I understand the logic being put forth to justify rejecting a free trade offer for cars, I just don't agree with it. I think we will have to agree to disagree there unless we want to have a battle of the experts.

I've said it 1000 times, and I'll say it again:

Trump supporters are less concerned with what Trump says than what he does.

Trump haters are less concerned with what Trump does than what he says.

You're going off on what Trump said. You want to argue about what free trade really means when you don't really know the definitions.

We know which group you're in.  Don't even try to deny it.

I've said it 1000 times, and I'll say it again:

Trump supporters are less concerned with what Trump says than what he does.

Trump haters are less concerned with what Trump does than what he says.

You're going off on what Trump said. You want to argue about what free trade really means when you don't really know the definitions.

We know which group you're in.  Don't even try to deny it.

Ok, I am sorry, I didn't realize that you were chosen as the representative for what Trump supporters think.

What Trump says matters, his job is basically to talk and occasionally sign a document. You can pretend that when he lies, threatens, and says various other stupid things, that it doesn't matter but it does. It matters when our allies don't know whether to trust our president, it matters when Trump says things that make the greatest nation in the world look like it is being led by a buffoon.

I will leave it there because obviously we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I am in the group of conservatives who choose conservative values instead of blowing whichever way Trump blows.

So, when you said:
... you didn't mean [ if we produce the type Europeans want, we'd be more competitive ] ?

If not, then tell me where I misstated what you said.  If that's not what you meant, then you need to learn to express yourself more directly.  When you say, "The reason X is unsuccessful is Y", it logically implies "If we alter Y, we have a better chance of succeeding at X."

I don't need to say anything. You quote me and it shows how I didn't say what you are suggesting I said.

I don't know how in your mind pointing out that a lot of our models are not what Europeans want is somehow saying "if we build it they will come"

I don't need to say anything. You quote me and it shows how I didn't say what you are suggesting I said.

I don't know how in your mind pointing out that a lot of our models are not what Europeans want is somehow saying "if we build it they will come"

I forgot. The mind of a Liberal isn't logical.

Enough said.

I forgot. The mind of a Liberal isn't logical.

Enough said.

I'll take your dodge as a concession.
Thanks