Kavanaugh hearing chaos (Read 209677 times)

mrgaf

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2018, 04:04:23 PM »
that bad?
worse than, "i'm confused..."?

That bitch needs to be put out to pasture.......
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drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2018, 04:31:16 PM »
that bad?
worse than, "i'm confused..."?
It was some of the stuff she said later in the session. Made me roll my eyes a bunch of times and a lot of  :wtf:

Even the Senator next to her made some faces like, “what did she just say?” 

oldfart

What, Me Worry?

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2018, 07:02:18 PM »
70 people arrested :rofl:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/capitol-hill-police-protest-arrests/index.html
What kinda bothered me was that a few of the "removals" I saw it appeared that the cop was just kinda nudging them and let them keep screaming in place for at least another 10 seconds before starting to slightly forcefully pull on them... they shoulda yanked those idiots out of there and been gone from the room within 5 seconds of their disruption beginning. Or is it just me? Is it going to be the same for the next several days? You need someone other than an 84-year-old in charge... to handle the disruptors in the audience and on the dais. Ridiculous.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2018, 08:17:13 PM »
I hope everyone will watch the opening of the hearing. Can anyone even begin to imagine what would have happened, both in the room and in the "press" if opponents of Obama's nominees Sotomayor or Kagan had acted even half as disruptive as today with Kavanaugh?

Even Mazie makes some disruptive incoherent mumblings.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Yeah, Mazie went off the deep end there. Listening to a bunch of the clips I have to wonder whether we have passed the point of no return, a functioning congress seems to be melting away.

I do think it was unprofessional and immature for the republicans to dump 40,000 pages of documents on them the night before the hearing. Obviously there was no way they could have reviewed all the documents before the hearing.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2018, 08:18:37 PM »
What kinda bothered me was that a few of the "removals" I saw it appeared that the cop was just kinda nudging them and let them keep screaming in place for at least another 10 seconds before starting to slightly forcefully pull on them... they shoulda yanked those idiots out of there and been gone from the room within 5 seconds of their disruption beginning. Or is it just me? Is it going to be the same for the next several days? You need someone other than an 84-year-old in charge... to handle the disruptors in the audience and on the dais. Ridiculous.

Hard to justify stronger force for someone who is just being verbally disruptive. Safest bet is to give them a chance to comply first.

oldfart

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2018, 08:49:47 PM »
Hard to justify stronger force for someone who is just being verbally disruptive. Safest bet is to give them a chance to comply first.
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and then tase 'em :rofl:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2018, 09:17:31 PM »
Yeah, Mazie went off the deep end there. Listening to a bunch of the clips I have to wonder whether we have passed the point of no return, a functioning congress seems to be melting away.

I do think it was unprofessional and immature for the republicans to dump 40,000 pages of documents on them the night before the hearing. Obviously there was no way they could have reviewed all the documents before the hearing.

Unprofessional?

The Democrats are on TV today (Mazie included) saying how "thousands of documents" have been WITHHELD from the Senate under executive privilege.  The Democrats (and Republicans) were given the chance to review them in private rather than make them all public.

Only 2 Senators availed themselves.  The rest simply used the situation to again lie about Trump and "abuse of executive powers".

Please don't try to sell your judgmental "unprofessional" BS here.  It was unprofessional for Democrats to demand over 1 million documents be ready in 30 days.  They knew it was impossible.  They only want to delay the confirmation.

They asked for the impossible, then you bash Republicans for dumping less than 10% of what was provided the day before?

Democrats were opposing Kavanaugh LONG BEFORE they requested the 1M documents.  If they already had their "nays" decided, no amount of documents would change their minds.  It only cost tax payers a ton of money and wastes everyones time.

Unprofessional?  LOL!!!!!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2018, 10:21:24 PM »
Democrats are terrified the days of having activist judges legislating from the bench are over, and will remain so for decades.

Without a favorable court, Democrats have to actually live within the law.

I can hear HRC hyperventilating ....   :shake:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2018, 10:50:06 PM »
Looks like we will have a conservative court for the next 20 years, conservatively speaking.
Happily living in Puna

macsak

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2018, 07:20:03 PM »
Looks like we will have a conservative court for the next 20 years, conservatively speaking.


eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2018, 08:18:38 PM »
Unprofessional?

The Democrats are on TV today (Mazie included) saying how "thousands of documents" have been WITHHELD from the Senate under executive privilege.  The Democrats (and Republicans) were given the chance to review them in private rather than make them all public.

Only 2 Senators availed themselves.  The rest simply used the situation to again lie about Trump and "abuse of executive powers".

Please don't try to sell your judgmental "unprofessional" BS here.  It was unprofessional for Democrats to demand over 1 million documents be ready in 30 days.  They knew it was impossible.  They only want to delay the confirmation.

They asked for the impossible, then you bash Republicans for dumping less than 10% of what was provided the day before?

Democrats were opposing Kavanaugh LONG BEFORE they requested the 1M documents.  If they already had their "nays" decided, no amount of documents would change their minds.  It only cost tax payers a ton of money and wastes everyones time.

Unprofessional?  LOL!!!!!

So let me ask you this, do you think they gave the 40,000 pages of document at night because they were just working so hard and couldn't get it done until then? Or would you consider that maybe republicans were playing games? Democrats were playing their game and republicans were playing theirs.

No one gets a pass in my book. Congress has become a joke and neither side is taking steps to improve things. They manipulate the rules when they are in power and then point fingers at the other side.

I do need to revise my earlier comments though. As I listened to more news (radio) I found out that democrats had asked for an unprecedented amount of documents and they were provided with an unprecedented amount of documents. Ironically it was from NPR where I learned this and it was a libertarian leaning program that only informed me of the 40,000 pages. So with that I will concede, maybe it was premature to call it immature but I still think republicans should have known better than to give those documents at the last moment.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2018, 09:45:24 PM »
So let me ask you this, do you think they gave the 40,000 pages of document at night because they were just working so hard and couldn't get it done until then? Or would you consider that maybe republicans were playing games? Democrats were playing their game and republicans were playing theirs.

No one gets a pass in my book. Congress has become a joke and neither side is taking steps to improve things. They manipulate the rules when they are in power and then point fingers at the other side.

I do need to revise my earlier comments though. As I listened to more news (radio) I found out that democrats had asked for an unprecedented amount of documents and they were provided with an unprecedented amount of documents. Ironically it was from NPR where I learned this and it was a libertarian leaning program that only informed me of the 40,000 pages. So with that I will concede, maybe it was premature to call it immature but I still think republicans should have known better than to give those documents at the last moment.

Do you read or just watch MSNBC and CNN?

You have NO EVIDENCE the Republicans willfully delayed anything. it was the archive office and Bush lawyers responsible for the production.  So ... Nope.  Republicans are not playing games.

The archive office was responsible for producing the information.  Congress is not the warehouse for Kavanaugh's records.  Those were forwarded to former Bush lawyers to review for potential Executive Privilege claims.  It's a process, and they can only turn over records as fast as they can receive and review them.  I think the volume of records requested (more than the number of pages requested for the past 5 Supreme Court Nominees COMBINED) created the logistic issues.  That's on the Democrats for overloading the resources of those producing the records.

The final documents were made available the evening before the hearing started at 0930.  The first day was grandstanding, vicious speeches impugning the character of the nominee, and protests. The Democrats and their staff had at least another 24 hours to read, highlight and incorporate that information before today's actual hearing started.  I'm sure if they divided the work among the Democrat Senators & their Congressional staff, that amount of information would have been no problem to consume and digest in time for the hearing.  You don't really believe Feinstein and Hirono intend to curl up for a week to each read the entire set of records themselves, do you??

The confirmation process is expected to last 20 - 30 hours in the Senate, based on recent confirmations. Bork's was 30 hours. Divided by a 6 hour day of hearings, that's roughly 4-5 days total.

The Democrats have no interest in reading the documents other than to fish for possible dirt.  They've already made up their minds to oppose Kavanaugh -- as with any other Trump nominee.

Democrat Senators are outraged over nothing -- as usual.  They are trying to find any reason they can to delay/derail the confirmation.  Period.







The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2018, 09:22:12 AM »
Crazy Mazie strikes again..... not that it make a difference anyway. She thinks she’s something she isn’t but does prove that cow shit can talk.....

http://www.k5thehometeam.com/story/39034607/sen-hirono-releases-confidential-kavanaugh-documents
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2018, 10:18:12 AM »
Crazy Mazie strikes again..... not that it make a difference anyway. She thinks she’s something she isn’t but does prove that cow shit can talk.....

http://www.k5thehometeam.com/story/39034607/sen-hirono-releases-confidential-kavanaugh-documents

John Yoo: Booker is trying to generate false controversy
Sep. 06, 2018 - 3:48 - Bush records representative: We cleared the documents last night, we were surprised at Booker's histrionics this morning.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/5831704147001/?#sp=show-clips
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2018, 10:41:47 AM »
CORY-OGRAPHED CHAOS: Booker’s ‘LEAKED EMAIL’ was Cleared for Release by DOJ in ADVANCE

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Sen. Cory Booker’s overt grandstanding during Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing took a bizarre turn Thursday,
with DOJ officials confirming they cleared his “leaked email” ahead of his public demonstration.

“I am going to release the e-mail about racial profiling and I understand that the penalty comes with potential ousting
from the Senate,” said Booker. “If Sen. Cornyn believes that I’ve violated Senate rules then I openly invite and accept
the consequences.”

Despite Booker’s claims of “civil disobedience,” the emails were cleared for release by the Department of Justice and
the George W. Bush Presidential Library hours before his statement.

“The irony is after Senator Booker said basically he was going to release the document anyway… it had already been
worked out that this was going to be then released to the public,” Sen. Cornyn said.

“Apparently, some just wanted to break the rules and make a scene, but didn’t check their email,” a spokesman for
committee Republicans said in a statement.


https://www.hannity.com/media-room/cory-ographed-chaos-bookers-leaked-email-was-cleared-for-release-by-doj-in-advance/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2018, 10:46:22 AM »
FAIL: Cory Booker's 'Damning' Documents Show Kavanaugh OPPOSED Racial Profiling, Racial Bias

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Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) spent most of Thursday morning's Senate Judiciary Committee hearings threatening to
reveal "damning" confidential documents that he claimed might derail Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's
confirmation. At one point, Booker even called himself "Spartacus," referring to the gladiator who spoke out on
behalf of slaves kept by the ancient Romans.

But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) approved some of those confidential documents for release, and other documents
leaked to The New York Times — and, strangely, they aren't damning at all, unless Sen. Cory Booker considers
opposing racial profiling in the wake of a major terrorist attack a "controversial" position.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/35534/fail-cory-bookers-damning-documents-show-kavanaugh-emily-zanotti
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2018, 05:15:25 PM »
Do you read or just watch MSNBC and CNN?

You have NO EVIDENCE the Republicans willfully delayed anything. it was the archive office and Bush lawyers responsible for the production.  So ... Nope.  Republicans are not playing games.

The archive office was responsible for producing the information.  Congress is not the warehouse for Kavanaugh's records.  Those were forwarded to former Bush lawyers to review for potential Executive Privilege claims.  It's a process, and they can only turn over records as fast as they can receive and review them.  I think the volume of records requested (more than the number of pages requested for the past 5 Supreme Court Nominees COMBINED) created the logistic issues.  That's on the Democrats for overloading the resources of those producing the records.

The final documents were made available the evening before the hearing started at 0930.  The first day was grandstanding, vicious speeches impugning the character of the nominee, and protests. The Democrats and their staff had at least another 24 hours to read, highlight and incorporate that information before today's actual hearing started.  I'm sure if they divided the work among the Democrat Senators & their Congressional staff, that amount of information would have been no problem to consume and digest in time for the hearing.  You don't really believe Feinstein and Hirono intend to curl up for a week to each read the entire set of records themselves, do you??

The confirmation process is expected to last 20 - 30 hours in the Senate, based on recent confirmations. Bork's was 30 hours. Divided by a 6 hour day of hearings, that's roughly 4-5 days total.

The Democrats have no interest in reading the documents other than to fish for possible dirt.  They've already made up their minds to oppose Kavanaugh -- as with any other Trump nominee.

Democrat Senators are outraged over nothing -- as usual.  They are trying to find any reason they can to delay/derail the confirmation.  Period.

No CNN and no MSNBC.

If you note, I corrected my position based on the new information I came across.

My point was that releasing it the night before the hearing seems like they  were playing games. Was it intentional? I don't know, however the optics don't look good for the republicans because there was no way to look at that many documents in that short a time.

I think Hirono already had her preplanned rant, anxiously waiting to play her race card.

I think this has been mostly all for show.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2018, 11:04:12 AM »
I asked a Liberal friend what he thought of all the Kavanaugh news this week.

He said, "I think Nike can hire whoever they want."

The US is doomed.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2018, 12:51:04 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw