This just in, Keyser, a lifelong friend of Ford was identified as the other female at the party that this supposed groping took place. She has now come out and officially stated that she is denying this ever happened. So now out of the 5 people who were identified as being at this party, 4 of them have denied either being there or deny this ever happened. The 4 people are Kav, Judge, Smyth (all friends) and now Keyser (lifelong friend of Ford). Ford is pretty much on her own here.

I think the most logical explanation to all of this is that her memory of the incident is flawed. I don’t doubt this happened to her in her own mind. I just think she is getting some other incidents confused together. I have done this myself and I could swear something occurred but when I question someone who I remember was there, they deny they were a part of it. Yet my mind is telling me I am right. While it is absolutely possible that she is lying, I think it is too late for her to turn back.

An interesting twist of events. If Ford is lying, why would she name Keyser as having been at the party? Now if indeed Keyser did go to the party but it was uneventful it is possible she has no recollection of the party. And if Keyser was downstairs when the incident happened and Ford never told her then of course she would have no knowledge. Keyser did state that she did not know Kavanaugh either which again is possible that they were at the same party but Keyser's account doesn't help Ford's case.

I too think that a flawed memory could be at work. Scientists have found that our memories are much less accurate than we think them to be. We get various details wrong and the passage of time doesn't help. Our brains can even be tricked into remembering things that never happened or happened but the person was not their to witness it. So the accuracy of Ford's memory is a huge aspect to be contended, and if she had been drinking, even more to bring into doubt. Maybe she was touched but it was someone else, maybe she was touched but it wasn't as the recalls it, or even (less likely I think) she wasn't touched at all.

Of course the thing about pointing out difficulties of accurate memories are that it is a double edged sword. The same could be used to attempt to call into question Kavanaugh's memory or anyone else at the party.

And now they're talking about impeachment after he is confirmed, if he is confirmed, ever... not sure why Grassley is even talking to these people much less acquiescing to most of their delaying whims...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/22/democrats-float-more-kavanaugh-investigations-impeachment-even-if-is-confirmed.html

I must admit I didn't know it was possible to impeach a justice, guess you learn something new every day. It has only been done once in our history though.

I think this mechanism works in favor for the republicans saying just have the vote already. Hold the vote now and then direct the FBI to fully investigate Ford's claims and if they find good reason to believe Kavanaugh did what she claims then impeach him. That should be the response, give him the job but take it away if the accusations end up being true.

I've been engaging in this thread more than I should, mostly because I had a similar experience in high school.  I haven't really told but a couple of friends, mainly because it really doesn't make any sense to me.

Long story short, there was this Sophomore girl I kissed ONCE and stopped when she said she had a boyfriend.  But, for some reason, she told her boyfriend.  I still don't know what she told him, but he came to my school and threatened me.  He's a good 5 inches taller and a lot heavier -- football player from another school in our county.  He yelled and made noise slamming his fist on the side of the school busses we were between, until the asst principal popped his head around the corner to see what was up.  I told him this guy was just leaving, so he did.

Over a year later, I'd just finished my first year in college and was back home for the Summer.  I hadn't thought of that guy all year long, then the phone at home rang. He wanted to meet to apologize for his yelling at me.  So, I went to the mall as he asked to meet him.  He and 2 of his friends walked me to the Sears loading dock, where he repeated the same yelling and hitting -- this time against a semi trailer.  Luckily a security guard walked around the corner and told us to leave. As we walked away, the guard put his hand on his gun and ordered the others to drop their weapons.  I hadn't noticed, but all three had hunting knives on their belts mostly covered by their shirts.  The guard said they can claim them next week at the mall office.  I had a feeling they'd also be trespassed and barred from mall property, but never heard if they did that.

As I got on my motorcycle, the guy yelled, "Meet me at your high school in 30 minutes."  I said, "Okay.  I'll be there."

I drove straight home, got my grandmother's Raven Arms .25, called a friend, picked her up on my bike, and we ate dinner at Pizza Hut in Charlotte.  No way was I going to the school with 3 idiots looking for a reason to do whatever to me.

I never heard from them again. Maybe they were arrested for carrying concealed weapons?  No idea.

The rest of that Summer and next year at school was fine. I came home after my Sophomore year and dropped by the high school for whatever reason. Speaking to the Sergeant at the JROTC trailer, I mention that girl's name.  He said, "Didn't you hear? She committed suicide."

Apparently whatever was going on with her and that boyfriend caused her to put a shotgun in her mouth.

My guess is, she told him something more than what really happened in that activity bus in Raleigh that one night, or he didn't believe that was all there was to it.  Why she told him at all is a mystery.  Regardless, I was basically Kavanaugh with someone coming after me for something I never did -- and didn't even know what it was I was supposed to have done.  All because a girl with an imagination decided ... what? She needed some drama to spice up her life?  Maybe it was purely her guilt that exaggerated the magnitude of what happened.

I often wonder how much I may have factored into her decision to take her life.  I wish I knew the whole story.  So few details -- so much craziness.

Glad you are ok. I have had a few instances that I still fear could come back and bite me later in life even though my actions were innocent. Nothing with such a dramatic end though.

Look into who tweeted about providing funding for fords security...the law professor who rod reinstein consuled about the 25th amendment.heidi feldman. She also raised funds for a george town univesity student, whos mom was killed at sandy hook.

Also ford has some stake in big pharma and abortion pills. Guess who is against abortion...

Connect the dots.

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When I started this thread 14 days and 244 comments ago it was after watching the first couple hours (actually the first six seconds when Kamala Harris continually interrupted Chairman Grassley) of the committee hearing live on C-Span. I couldn't believe what I was watching, a total circus of orchestrated Democrat obstruction, that for some reason Grassley was allowing them to get away with... but I figured, okay, 4 days, maybe 5 of this crap and it'll be over. Now it's two weeks later and there is no end in sight. It seems to me this is a new, uh, low... even far exceeding the Anita Hill fiasco during the Clarence Thomas hearings that he termed "a high tech lynching". 

Now there's a new "poll" out about what people "think" and "believe", etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/fox-news-poll-record-number-voters-oppose-kavanaugh-nomination.html

The detailed poll itself is here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/fox-news-poll-923.html

If some event, as claimed by Ford, took place, the only people that ever knew what actually happened would only be the people in the room at the time, all else would be "hearsay". Given the eccentricities of human memory, especially under the influence of drugs like alcohol, even those people that may have been in the room IF anything happened at all, could be completely mistaken in their memories, and/or any of them could be deliberately lying.

None of any of that has any bearing, as far as I'm concerned, on whether or not the candidate, 36 years later, has the ability to competently perform the duties of SCOTUS justice.

But let's take a poll.

When I started this thread 14 days and 244 comments ago it was after watching the first couple hours (actually the first six seconds when Kamala Harris continually interrupted Chairman Grassley) of the committee hearing live on C-Span. I couldn't believe what I was watching, a total circus of orchestrated Democrat obstruction, that for some reason Grassley was allowing them to get away with... but I figured, okay, 4 days, maybe 5 of this crap and it'll be over. Now it's two weeks later and there is no end in sight. It seems to me this is a new, uh, low... even far exceeding the Anita Hill fiasco during the Clarence Thomas hearings that he termed "a high tech lynching". 

Now there's a new "poll" out about what people "think" and "believe", etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/fox-news-poll-record-number-voters-oppose-kavanaugh-nomination.html

The detailed poll itself is here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/fox-news-poll-923.html

If some event, as claimed by Ford, took place, the only people that ever knew what actually happened would only be the people in the room at the time, all else would be "hearsay". Given the eccentricities of human memory, especially under the influence of drugs like alcohol, even those people that may have been in the room IF anything happened at all, could be completely mistaken in their memories, and/or any of them could be deliberately lying.

None of any of that has any bearing, as far as I'm concerned, on whether or not the candidate, 36 years later, has the ability to competently perform the duties of SCOTUS justice.

But let's take a poll.

It goes further than that.  For her story to be corroborated in any way, she needs others at the "gathering" (it's not a party now, according to the lawyers) to verify the fact she and Kavanaugh were physically in the same place at the same time.  That at the very least creates opportunity for the alleged assault, as well as corroborates her memory of the two of them being there at the same time.

So far, each person Ford remembered being there who's been questioned has denied attending any such gathering, and they don't know of any time when Kavanaugh and Ford were anywhere together.  Even a life-long friend of Ford's, Keyser, said she'd never seen Kavanaugh back then..

So, not only can she not get corroboration, her "witnesses" are digging her hole deeper by corroborating Kavanaugh's defense -- that he was never there, that he never tried to assault her, and he doesn't even know her.

I don’t like to speculate on things I know nothing about. But.

A very believable person went out on a limb and said that Kav has an airtight alibi. And it will be revealed next Thursday when they both testify. Obviously, no one knows what this alibi can be. So here is some speculation. One person felt there is a recording of Ford’s lawyer discussing the ruining of Kav’s nomination. While admitting the groping never took place. There Is the possibility of a witness to someone witnessing Ford accepting money or being involved in the money transfer. There could also be someone who Ford admitted something to prior to 2012 that is willing to come forward against her testimony. The one that sounds most realistic to me is that Ford already admitted that she was 15 and it took place in the summer of 1982. It could be that Kav was traveling in Europe or was at some place outside of the state for the summer. Something he can prove. They are just waiting for her to go record with this testimony.

Again, this is all speculation so it could be that there is no airtight alibi. I just thought I would throw this out here in case someone wants to google it and possibly discuss.

Right after I typed the above, I found this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/kavanaugh-senate-calendar.html

I don’t like to speculate on things I know nothing about. But.

A very believable person went out on a limb and said that Kav has an airtight alibi. And it will be revealed next Thursday when they both testify. Obviously, no one knows what this alibi can be. So here is some speculation. One person felt there is a recording of Ford’s lawyer discussing the ruining of Kav’s nomination. While admitting the groping never took place. There Is the possibility of a witness to someone witnessing Ford accepting money or being involved in the money transfer. There could also be someone who Ford admitted something to prior to 2012 that is willing to come forward against her testimony. The one that sounds most realistic to me is that Ford already admitted that she was 15 and it took place in the summer of 1982. It could be that Kav was traveling in Europe or was at some place outside of the state for the summer. Something he can prove. They are just waiting for her to go record with this testimony.

Again, this is all speculation so it could be that there is no airtight alibi. I just thought I would throw this out here in case someone wants to google it and possibly discuss.

All the more troubling that anyone truly believes this woman, when she can't be sure of the time or place. Gives her too much wiggle room. If he says, "I was in Europe those Summer months', she can then counter with, "I wasn't 100% sure about the time."

No matter how much pressure the Democrats put on the public and the committee to believe her accusations, most people have common sense and know where to draw the line between "credible" and "you don't remember, so how can we ask him for a response?"

Too many holes in her recollection. It'll be interesting to see how much legal coaching she gets before the hearing to avoid getting called a liar every other statement.  So much of her claims is already out in the ethershpere.

All the more troubling that anyone truly believes this woman, when she can't be sure of the time or place. Gives her too much wiggle room. If he says, "I was in Europe those Summer months', she can then counter with, "I wasn't 100% sure about the time."

No matter how much pressure the Democrats put on the public and the committee to believe her accusations, most people have common sense and know where to draw the line between "credible" and "you don't remember, so how can we ask him for a response?"

Too many holes in her recollection. It'll be interesting to see how much legal coaching she gets before the hearing to avoid getting called a liar every other statement.  So much of her claims is already out in the ethershpere.

See the link in last post. I edited the post after you quoted it. Great NYT article.

See the link in last post. I edited the post after you quoted it. Great NYT article.

Yes. I saw most of that on various Tweets.

Her allegation is a moving target. No matter what he has to refute her "details", the Democrats will deflect with, "she wasn't positive that was the date."

I still say, if she can't do better than the story she's already given, I don't believe she's measured up to "credible".  In fact, she's most likely doing this for political reasons, giving her a lot of motive for lying.

People ask, "Why would she lie, knowing this circus would involve her?"  She didn't know. Her letter, according to Feinstein, said she won't testify and wanted to remain anonymous.

And where, exactly, is that letter?  Grassley said he still hasn't seen it.  Does it further cast doubt on her story?  Something fishy about the letter being hidden when so much info is being leaked.

I've seen several Democrats holding fundraisers this week and using the Kavanaugh confirmation as their "carrot".  Now this ....

In a long memo for the liberal activist group MoveOn.org, Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii writes:

“My question is: What are they trying to hide? What are they so afraid of? If Kavanaugh is innocent,
why isn't he calling for a full investigation to prove it unequivocally? I worry that the answer is that he
knows he is guilty. And if that's the case, we absolutely must do everything we can to stop him.”

https://t.co/zqd2cG2dUR

"This is a situation that is not going to go away."

- Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii

Hirono cites Kavanaugh's 'outcome-driven' legal philosophy as reason to deny him due process

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/top-democrat-cites-kavanaughs-outcome-driven-legal-philosophy-as-reason-to-deny-him-due-process.html

The top senator, who serves on the Judiciary Committee, left open the door to impeaching Kavanaugh if he is confirmed -- an idea floated by some Democrats, including Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., last week.

"I know that Maryland has eliminated the statute of limitations for kidnapping and sexual assault," she said. "So there may be an investigation along those lines. This is a situation that is not going to go away."

The Supreme Court has held that changes to statutes of limitations cannot apply retroactively to enable the prosecution of past offenses, pursuant the Ex Post Facto provision of the Constitution. However, the Senate can technically remove any federal judge based on a two-thirds vote, regardless of whether a specific crime has been committed.

Unfuckingbelievable... they're crawling out of the woodwork at a breakneck pace... I predict 30 accusations by Thursday. Just like the McMartin pre-school satanic and UFO accusations... where people went to prison for years before it was revealed as a hoax...

Kavanaugh faces new accusations; Avenatti claims 'evidence' of 'targeting' women for gang rape

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/kavanaugh-faces-new-accusations-avenatti-claims-evidence-targeting-women-for-gang-rape.html

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh faced a storm of new sexual misconduct allegations Sunday after attorney Michael Avenatti said he had knowledge that Kavanaugh and high school friend Mark Judge targeted women with drugs and alcohol in order to "allow a 'train' of men to subsequently gang rape them."

Meanwhile, the New Yorker magazine reported late Sunday that a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh claimed that he exposed himself to her at a college party.

The woman, Deborah Ramirez, has called on the FBI to investigate the alleged incident. The magazine's report, which is co-written by Pulitzer Prize winner Ronan Farrow, states that four Democratic senators have received information about Ramirez's allegation and at least two have begun investigating it.

Unfuckingbelievable... they're crawling out of the woodwork at a breakneck pace... I predict 30 accusations by Thursday. Just like the McMartin pre-school satanic and UFO accusations... where people went to prison for years before it was revealed as a hoax...

Kavanaugh faces new accusations; Avenatti claims 'evidence' of 'targeting' women for gang rape

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/kavanaugh-faces-new-accusations-avenatti-claims-evidence-targeting-women-for-gang-rape.html

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh faced a storm of new sexual misconduct allegations Sunday after attorney Michael Avenatti said he had knowledge that Kavanaugh and high school friend Mark Judge targeted women with drugs and alcohol in order to "allow a 'train' of men to subsequently gang rape them."

Meanwhile, the New Yorker magazine reported late Sunday that a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh claimed that he exposed himself to her at a college party.

The woman, Deborah Ramirez, has called on the FBI to investigate the alleged incident. The magazine's report, which is co-written by Pulitzer Prize winner Ronan Farrow, states that four Democratic senators have received information about Ramirez's allegation and at least two have begun investigating it.

So here's where we are:

1 - Ford's accusations delayed the confirmation process for almost two weeks now.

2 - New accuser comes in with same time-frame of "sexual harassment" accusation.  Ramirez takes us past another week of delay or longer.  Ford no longer needs to testify.

3 - A third accuser comes in with same accusations. Same lack of credibility with fuzzy memories and witnesses countering her story.  Her accusations take us another couple of weeks into October.  Ramirez doesn't have to testify now.

It's like a game of leap frog. Each time another frog leaps ahead of you, you're spared the hearing that outs you as a liar.  The Dems will send in as many frogs as needed to keep the confirmation from occurring before midterm elections.

If the Dems capture the Senate, they achieve their objective -- blocking a Trump Supreme Court Pick.  They can keep blocking the committee vote indefinitely with enough unfounded accusations.

Lucky for us, Stormy Daniel's Creepy Porn Lawyer is on the case.  He wants to know what the comments ANOTHER STUDENT wrote in Kavanaugh's yearbook mean.

We've entered the Romper Room of politics ....

Give an inch, they take a mile. Gop hasent learned yet.

So the 6 who Ramirez ID'd all say Kav wasnt in on "the joke".

Ford claims she called her friend from a cell right away after it happened. The "brick" wasnt invented until 1984 at a price tag of $3400 and only released in 6 cities iirc.

Gop fucking up. They only go on the defensive and not as a team. "Its not my attack, so i wont help". Look at Roy Moore as an example.

Its ok, major bombshells and arrest coming this week.

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Give an inch, they take a mile. Gop hasent learned yet.

So the 6 who Ramirez ID'd all say Kav wasnt in on "the joke".

Ford claims she called her friend from a cell right away after it happened. The "brick" wasnt invented until 1984 at a price tag of $3400 and only released in 6 cities iirc.

Gop fucking up. They only go on the defensive and not as a team. "Its not my attack, so i wont help". Look at Roy Moore as an example.

Its ok, major bombshells and arrest coming this week.

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Right now, nothing being played out in the press is testimony.  It's a smear campaign with no official statements made under oath EXCEPT for Kavanaugh, who voluntarily participated in a teleconference last week to answer questions about Ford's accusations -- the one not a single Democrat cared enough to attend or send a staffer to take notes.

I think the GOP is wise to let the feathers and fur fly why they stay out of the fray.  On Thursday, if and when Ford testifies, there will be an accounting as to which official testimony is more credible.

I'd much rather Grassley take a vote Monday, but with this question mark hanging over Kavanaugh, it might jeopardize his chance of making it to a full vote.

No matter how obvious it is she's lying, nothing is official yet.  Gotta get her on the record before we break out the torches and pitchforks.

So here's where we are:

3 - A third accuser comes in with same accusations. Same lack of credibility with fuzzy memories and witnesses countering her story.  Her accusations take us another couple of weeks into October.  Ramirez doesn't have to testify now.

From what I read of the new accusation, her claim might have more witnesses than Ford's.

All of this is getting complicated. A new allegation, allegations about Kavanaugh's witnesses' credibility, character witnesses against him.

I don't think this is looking good for Kavanaugh when a second allegation comes out.

Give an inch, they take a mile. Gop hasent learned yet.

So the 6 who Ramirez ID'd all say Kav wasnt in on "the joke".

Ford claims she called her friend from a cell right away after it happened. The "brick" wasnt invented until 1984 at a price tag of $3400 and only released in 6 cities iirc.

Gop fucking up. They only go on the defensive and not as a team. "Its not my attack, so i wont help". Look at Roy Moore as an example.

Its ok, major bombshells and arrest coming this week.

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Someone posted that on facebook but I see nothing in the news where Ford called a friend on a cell phone and told her what happened. Where did that one come from?

I know Ford said she didn't tell anyone so this would be a reversal of her previous statement if true.