Milsurp Morality:

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How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed someone in war?

How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed someone who is/was our enemy?

How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed Americans?

I can answer all three questions with one answer...Ainokea what the gun was used for before I owned it.

On a related issues, it's sad that they scraped the USS Enterprise, the greatest war machine from WW2. Some said that its a warrior and would be disrespectful to turn it into a museum and have tourists walk through it all day long. I think there would be no better honor. I believe the Mighty Mo is owned by the non profit and so far, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.

You would never really know anything about it's history, so my conscience is clear.
Aka, plausible deniability.

I have an 1851 Colt Navy that was definitely used in the Civil War.  It doesn't work but it's a damned cool piece of history and that's how these guns should be viewed.  I have no moral qualms about owning historical weapons that were used to kill opposing forces.  That being said I am not a collector so chances of me seeking them out are slim but I'd like to own an M1 Garand eventually.

On a related issues, it's sad that they scraped the USS Enterprise, the greatest war machine from WW2. Some said that its a warrior and would be disrespectful to turn it into a museum and have tourists walk through it all day long. I think there would be no better honor. I believe the Mighty Mo is owned by the non profit and so far, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.

Agree 100%.  In the age of whitewashing and erasing history, it has never been more important to teach the next generations about the sacrifices of their forefathers.

being its just a tool, wouldn't bother me.  might be interesting to know the history if that's possible


my dad had a Luger from WW2 which he was given to him by a widowed neighbor that he helped around the house when he was much younger when he lived on the mainland
she didn't have much to pay him, so she offered him anything he wanted around the house and he selected the Luger
over the years of my dad moving around, his brother held on to it and eventually "lost" it.
would have been a cool firearm to have

Doesn't bother me.  But to each their own.  My grandma GAVE AWAY our family samurai sword in the 70's because it had bad juju (killed people).

Doesn't bother me.  But to each their own.  My grandma GAVE AWAY our family samurai sword in the 70's because it had bad juju (killed people).

isn't the Samurai sword supposed to take the spirit of who it kills?

isn't the Samurai sword supposed to take the spirit of who it kills?

Yes, that's why my grandma gave it away.  I'm super pissed.  To buy a brand new authentic one will cost you big bucks, if you can find a sword maker.  So the one we had was a family sword for generations.

Many swords in Japan were given up after WWII and  were family swords.  My friends dad was a translator in Japan during the sword confiscation.  Many soldiers were crying, but understood.  He did meet a jap general and felt so bad that my friends dad said he will but his sword in the back and take it home later.  Then at a later date, return it back to the general.  When he went back to where he left the sword, someone else took it for themselves.

My friends dad spoke little to no japanese, but had a full jap name.  So the army made him a translator, even when he told them he can't speak.  Then he got called to the Korea War, but had enough points to get out.  But because he was 1 of the few translators left, his CO told him, if you wanna get out, find a replacement to go to Korea.  And he still didn't speak japanese well.  So he found a guy from the Big Island who had no family to take his spot.  The transport plane that took the new translator and the general crashed and all on board died.

I've never given this "morality" issue a second thought.  However, I have seen a few guns for sale that had obvious blood stains on them and I've never bought any of those.

I thought about it before and I don't have a problem with it.  Its the person shooting it and not the gun.  And for most, the person behind the gun is usually just doing their job.

You know, my first thought is that it wouldn't bother me. Much of my collection is milsup, and probably saw service. It's just the nature of the beast.

But were you to really personalize it... for example, were someone to kill one of my loved ones, would I want to own that gun? Pretty sure I wouldn't.

I guess "it depends."

Milsurp Morality:

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How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed someone in war?

How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed someone who is/was our enemy?

How do you feel about owning a weapon that probably killed Americans?

Nice to have a weapon with some history....

I have an 1851 Colt Navy that was definitely used in the Civil War.  It doesn't work but it's a damned cool piece of history and that's how these guns should be viewed.  I have no moral qualms about owning historical weapons that were used to kill opposing forces.  That being said I am not a collector so chances of me seeking them out are slim but I'd like to own an M1 Garand eventually.

Likewise.... I own a Smith Carbine that was carried by a corporal of the 8th WV Cav under Gen. Buford @ Gettysburg. The providence was authenticated and documented in 1966. All cartoches are clear and the carbine is rated at about 85%. Relatively clean and shiny bore with a little pitting in the throat. Locks up tight and shoots really nice (I don’t believe in wall hangers). I take it out twice a year and put about 20 down range. Not sure if it was used to “kill” anyone but with its history and connection to Buford, it wouldn’t surprise me. Upon my demise, it will be donated to the NRA firearms museum.

I have 4 Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles and a Mosin-Nagant revolver.

Since these were dated in the 1920s-1940s, it's more than reasonable to assume the weapons were carried into battle and re-arsenaled prior to storage.

They could have been used to kill, been carried by someone who was killed, or both.

I'm actually more intrigued by these weapons being a part of history than worried about what they may have been used for.

If these weapons were used by a serial killer, like Son of Sam or the Beltway Snipers, that would be a bit disturbing.  But, I'd get over it if the price was right.   

I remember the scene from Deuce Bigalow where the guy collected items that had killed people. I wouldn’t want one if it was confirmed to have killed someone or I knew that it did. If it’s a milsurp and I didn’t know origins, all good.

The “real” katana market is super sketchy and nearly impossible to navigate. The “real” ones are considered national treasures and illegal to export. There’s a large market for sword already exported, but have to know a lot to be able to avoid those rebuilt or otherwise salvaged. I was into them for a while. Best bet for US resident is Chinese made swords. CAS Hanwei makes some of the best and I have two. One nicer one and another practical one that is meant to practice cutting techniques.

I remember the scene from Deuce Bigalow where the guy collected items that had killed people. I wouldn’t want one if it was confirmed to have killed someone or I knew that it did. If it’s a milsurp and I didn’t know origins, all good.

The “real” katana market is super sketchy and nearly impossible to navigate. The “real” ones are considered national treasures and illegal to export. There’s a large market for sword already exported, but have to know a lot to be able to avoid those rebuilt or otherwise salvaged. I was into them for a while. Best bet for US resident is Chinese made swords. CAS Hanwei makes some of the best and I have two. One nicer one and another practical one that is meant to practice cutting techniques.

Didn't know the real ones are illegal to export from Japan.  Good to know.

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people

The end

Anyone remember the video of a few years back with the purported gun store opening in downtown New York and the (fake) proprietors eventually revealing to the "customers" (turned out they were actors) who were interested in a particular gun that it had been used in a crime... I think they may have claimed Sandy Hook or Columbine. And then the pretend "customers" got all bent and offended and abhorred. It was presented as an example of something about "gunz=badz". Once it came out, very shortly, that it was fake it was ridiculed even more than when some people thought it was real.