Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership (Read 14859 times)

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2018, 11:08:00 AM »
Any wagers on whether the cop is behind bars like some of the others, or out and about? Indirectly sounds like he's out and about but was required to "turn[] in his weapon".  I'm sure the 47-year-old law enforcement officer was going to meet with the 15-year-old girl in order to "protect and serve" her.

Police sergeant among 24 alleged child predators arrested in sting operation in New Jersey

https://6abc.com/police-sergeant-among-24-alleged-child-predators-arrested-in-sting/4276844/

A total of 24 men have been arrested in a sting operation targeting alleged child predators in New Jersey, the state attorney general's office announced on Tuesday.

As part of "Operation Open House," the suspects were lured through social media to a home in Toms River, Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal said, where they allegedly expected to find their victim home alone. I'm sure as a 47-year-old law enforcement officer he was merely going to meet the 15-year-old girl in order to "protect and serve" her.

"When they showed up at our undercover house seeking to meet their intended victims for sex, they were arrested," said Grewal. "The defendants are now charged with serious crimes and are either behind bars or subject to very stringent pre-trial monitoring."

Among those arrested were a firefighter, a nurse, and 47-year-old Richard Conte, a police sergeant for Howell Township.

"Conte claimed during his chats that he was a 19-year-old male, believing that he was chatting with a 15-year-old girl. He allegedly said that he had had sex with underage girls, and wanted to meet the girl to 'get naked.' He had condoms in his pocket when he was arrested," Grewal said.

Conte has since turned in his weapon to the Howell Township Police Department

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2018, 09:12:49 PM »
Here's another one from today... how the law-abiding resident of the apartment survived after shooting cops is... well either a miracle or a testament to the really crappy shooting skills of the cops... or both.

Two Maryland officers injured in shooting had served warrant to wrong apartment, police say

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/21/two-maryland-officers-injured-in-shooting-had-served-warrant-to-wrong-apartment-police-say.html

The two Maryland police officers who were shot while executing a drug-related search warrant late Wednesday had entered the wrong apartment, officials said.

Officers from Prince George's County Police entered the home of “a law-abiding” resident after an investigation led officers to incorrectly conclude that the address was that of a suspected drug dealer, police Chief Hank Stawinski said during a news conference Thursday.

"The individual that we are targeting does not live at that address ... a law-abiding, hard-working citizen of Prince George's County and his daughter were home at the point where we were executing that search warrant," Stawinski said.


As of Thursday afternoon, one officer has been released, while the other remained hospitalized for surgery on his face and an arm, Washington station WUSA-TV reported.

The shooting took place Wednesday night as a unit of nine officers served a search warrant at an apartment complex about 20 miles south of the nation's capital. After knocking on the door and getting no response, officers used a device to open it.

The resident, who had fallen asleep and didn’t hear police announce themselves, fired a shotgun as soon as officers opened the door, striking one in the shoulder and the other in a hand, officials said. One officer returned fire, but didn’t hit anyone.

The man immediately surrendered once he realized they were police officers, officials said.

“You got the wrong address. Don’t shoot my daughter,” the father said, according to Stawinski.

The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident, Washington news station WTOP-FM reported.

Earlier this month, a police officer in Dallas was charged with manslaughter after entering an apartment she mistook as her own and fatally shooting the resident.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2018, 10:36:31 PM »
Here's another one from today... how the law-abiding resident of the apartment survived after shooting cops is... well either a miracle or a testament to the really crappy shooting skills of the cops... or both.

Two Maryland officers injured in shooting had served warrant to wrong apartment, police say

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/21/two-maryland-officers-injured-in-shooting-had-served-warrant-to-wrong-apartment-police-say.html

The two Maryland police officers who were shot while executing a drug-related search warrant late Wednesday had entered the wrong apartment, officials said.

Officers from Prince George's County Police entered the home of “a law-abiding” resident after an investigation led officers to incorrectly conclude that the address was that of a suspected drug dealer, police Chief Hank Stawinski said during a news conference Thursday.

"The individual that we are targeting does not live at that address ... a law-abiding, hard-working citizen of Prince George's County and his daughter were home at the point where we were executing that search warrant," Stawinski said.


As of Thursday afternoon, one officer has been released, while the other remained hospitalized for surgery on his face and an arm, Washington station WUSA-TV reported.

The shooting took place Wednesday night as a unit of nine officers served a search warrant at an apartment complex about 20 miles south of the nation's capital. After knocking on the door and getting no response, officers used a device to open it.

The resident, who had fallen asleep and didn’t hear police announce themselves, fired a shotgun as soon as officers opened the door, striking one in the shoulder and the other in a hand, officials said. One officer returned fire, but didn’t hit anyone.

The man immediately surrendered once he realized they were police officers, officials said.

“You got the wrong address. Don’t shoot my daughter,” the father said, according to Stawinski.

The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident, Washington news station WTOP-FM reported.

Earlier this month, a police officer in Dallas was charged with manslaughter after entering an apartment she mistook as her own and fatally shooting the resident.

Thank goodness no one died.

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2018, 02:10:29 PM »
If you are at all interested in this example of cop malfeasance and coverup, you should read the whole article as it goes into a bit of detail. "To protect and to serve... well, except when we don't want to."

Cops in Parkland shooting under investigation for crimes

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-police-response-investigation-20180921-story,amp.html

Florida’s top law enforcement agency says it is investigating whether police committed crimes while responding to February’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Immediately after the shooting, Gov. Rick Scott ordered the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate law enforcement’s response to the shooting, including actions by school deputy Scot Peterson, who took cover outside rather than rush into the building as teachers and children were being shot.

Now, the FDLE tells the South Florida Sun Sentinel that its investigation is criminal in nature. The claim surprised legal experts and raised questions about whether police could be held criminally liable for faltering and not swiftly taking down the shooter.

In addition, experts question whether the label of a criminal investigation is actually designed to shield public records from view. Florida law allows law enforcement to withhold some records related to active criminal investigations.

macsak

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2018, 02:19:09 PM »
Guyger got fired...

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2018, 02:56:26 PM »
Guyger got fired...
Yeah, and the head of the "cops are special and deserve special treatment" organization, the cop union, is very unhappy. You have to wonder what would it take for him to agree "Yeah, that's an offense that merits the termination of a police officer". Anything? Anything at all?

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2018, 09:07:08 PM »
At least he always made it home safe at the end of his shift...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/former-chicago-police-department-commander-jon-burge-torture-cases-died-obituary/

Former Chicago Police Cmdr. Jon Burge, tied to torture cases, has died

Police Cmdr. Jon Burge, whose name became synonymous with torture, a web of tainted court convictions and more than $100 million in settlements with wrongfully convicted defendants who lost decades of their lives in jail, has died in Florida at 70, according to the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police.

In 2011, Burge was sentenced to 4 1/2 years in prison for lying under oath in civil lawsuits connected to the torture. After being released early for good behavior, he went to a halfway house near his Florida home, followed by home confinement.

RSN172

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2018, 07:07:18 AM »
Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
Happily living in Puna

groveler

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2018, 10:38:57 AM »
Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.

I have been in Hawaii 18 years.
I have called 911 three times.
Once for a suspected drunk or very sick driver who could not stay in a lane.
I gave them the license number.
Never heard anything back.
Another time when a truck literally pushed me on a motorcycle off the road.
I gave them the license number.
Never heard anything back.
Third time I actually spoke with a cop,
I had found what he identified as a stolen backpack.
It was missing $1200.  He wanted to know
where I was that day. 

I would never call a cop to my home.
Shoot, shovel, and shutup.

changemyoil66

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2018, 12:33:49 PM »
I've only called 911 twice for a personal emergency.  And many times for routine stuff like crackhead passed out in the road, crackhead passed out on top of a car.  Crackhead yelling at people at the bus stop.  Crackhead walking butt ass naked down the street.  I guess we got a crackhead problem.

1) Was in high school and walking home with friends.  Group of Samoans approached us (all japs) and demanded our wallets or get our asses kicked.  2/3 of us were able to out run them.  1 wasn't and got his front tooth knocked out.  Samoans got away in a vehicle.  We called 911 and they found the vehicle and arrested the group.  The puncher got 5 years (I had to testify in court).  Helicopter was used to find the car.

2) My alarm went off in my safe.  Called 911 and 7 cops or so showed up and waited to enter until I got home.  Not necessary to kick the door in because there were no visible signs of a break in.  So they waited for me to come home.  Then swept the home.  Since then I have replaced the alarm so I won't get a false alarm and added more layers to my security.

So I look at calling HPD or any LE like they're humans.  Humans can make mistakes and people can get hurt.  Especially since depending on the type of call, they don't know what they're walking into.  Even a routine traffic stop can go from 0-deadly in 2 seconds.  Treat the officers with respect and follow commands.  If I have a problem I'll file a complaint later. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2018, 01:53:48 PM »
I've only called 911 twice for a personal emergency.  And many times for routine stuff like crackhead passed out in the road, crackhead passed out on top of a car.  Crackhead yelling at people at the bus stop.  Crackhead walking butt ass naked down the street.  I guess we got a crackhead problem.

1) Was in high school and walking home with friends.  Group of Samoans approached us (all japs) and demanded our wallets or get our asses kicked.  2/3 of us were able to out run them.  1 wasn't and got his front tooth knocked out.  Samoans got away in a vehicle.  We called 911 and they found the vehicle and arrested the group.  The puncher got 5 years (I had to testify in court).  Helicopter was used to find the car.

2) My alarm went off in my safe.  Called 911 and 7 cops or so showed up and waited to enter until I got home.  Not necessary to kick the door in because there were no visible signs of a break in.  So they waited for me to come home.  Then swept the home.  Since then I have replaced the alarm so I won't get a false alarm and added more layers to my security.

So I look at calling HPD or any LE like they're humans.  Humans can make mistakes and people can get hurt.  Especially since depending on the type of call, they don't know what they're walking into.  Even a routine traffic stop can go from 0-deadly in 2 seconds.  Treat the officers with respect and follow commands.  If I have a problem I'll file a complaint later.

Crackheads give methheads a bad rep.   :wacko:


You should get a decent WiFi webcam. Put it where you can see your gun safe. Then if you get an alert, you can do a visual verification before calling cops or racing home.  It also offers video/audio evidence if someone actually accesses your safe.

I have 3 of these at home, and my daughter has 3 also.  For $26, it's hard to beat.  it has motion detection if you set it, and I even get alerts (another optional setting) if the fire/smoke detector goes off.  The other day I was home, and a car alarm in front of my house went off.  The upstairs camera sent a smoke detector alert.  They do sound similar.   :thumbsup:

https://www.amazon.com/Wyze-Indoor-Wireless-Camera-Vision/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_22?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1538005770&sr=1-22&keywords=security+camera
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2018, 09:31:59 PM »
Yeah, and the head of the "cops are special and deserve special treatment" organization, the cop union, is very unhappy. You have to wonder what would it take for him to agree "Yeah, that's an offense that merits the termination of a police officer". Anything? Anything at all?

I have found that sometimes unions will back up members they know shouldn't be there out of obligation in the contract and not wanting to be sued for failing to represent the due paying member.

I think even if the union president agreed she should not be a cop he wouldn't be able to express it publicly.

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2018, 08:46:42 AM »


Former HPD sergeant accused of sexual assault

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2018/09/27/former-hpd-sergeant-accused-sexual-assault/

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -A former Honolulu Police Department sergeant has been arrested on sexual assault charges, sources say.

Police records show Corbett Roy, 59, was arrested Wednesday night on three counts of fourth-degree sexual assault and one count of harassment.

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2018, 08:53:39 AM »
Stand up guy for sure.... a credit to all those who "serve and protect". My question: did anyone else on the force have any idea he was doing this, because no one in the "brotherhood" spoke up.

Fired deputy under investigation for planting drugs

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/09/20/fired-deputy-under-investigation-planting-drugs/1361283002/

Prosecutors are dropping charges in at least two dozen cases initiated by a former Jackson County Sheriff’s Office deputy who’s under investigation for allegedly planting drugs on people during traffic stops.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement confirmed Wednesday it opened an investigation Aug. 1 into Deputy Zachary Wester at the request of the Sheriff’s Office, located in Marianna. The investigation into allegations of official misconduct is still open, and no charges have been filed against Wester.

The Sheriff's Office fired him Sept. 10 for violating agency policy, according to FDLE records.

A former prosecutor himself, Myers said he believes law enforcement officers play by the rules, by and large.

“The foundation for our system is the integrity of our law enforcement officers,” he said. “So I sure hope he’s just a (single) bad apple. And I believe that. The sad part is you wonder how many people were arrested by him and just took a plea to get out of jail when they had done nothing wrong.”

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2018, 08:57:26 AM »
So he gets to be on vacation while getting paid... excellent deterrent to future similar behavior by fellow officers.

Kansas police officer is charged with battery and criminal threat

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article219046410.html

An Ottawa, Kan., police sergeant has been charged with battery in connection with an incident at his home earlier this month.

Steven Burkhart made an initial appearance Wednesday in Franklin County District Court, where he is charged with battery and making a criminal threat. He had been arrested earlier this month.

Burkhart, 35, was arrested on the charges Sept. 4, according to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, and was released from custody after posting a bond.

He is scheduled to appear in court again Oct. 29.

Burkhart was placed on paid administrative leave after the incident, according to a police department spokesman.

changemyoil66

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2018, 09:37:31 AM »
Crackheads give methheads a bad rep.   :wacko:


You should get a decent WiFi webcam. Put it where you can see your gun safe. Then if you get an alert, you can do a visual verification before calling cops or racing home.  It also offers video/audio evidence if someone actually accesses your safe.

I have 3 of these at home, and my daughter has 3 also.  For $26, it's hard to beat.  it has motion detection if you set it, and I even get alerts (another optional setting) if the fire/smoke detector goes off.  The other day I was home, and a car alarm in front of my house went off.  The upstairs camera sent a smoke detector alert.  They do sound similar.   :thumbsup:

https://www.amazon.com/Wyze-Indoor-Wireless-Camera-Vision/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_22?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1538005770&sr=1-22&keywords=security+camera

Without giving to much details, maybe the Wyze is an added layer of security, among other stuff. =P

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2018, 03:37:45 PM »
Without giving to much details, maybe the Wyze is an added layer of security, among other stuff. =P

I have a safe monitor device that we've talked about on here before.  If the safe is opened, closed or moved, I get an email and text alert. It also monitors humidity and temp.  I can check my webcam to see if there's anything going on with the safe if I'm alerted away from home.

Every once in awhile, I get a "movement detected" message -- normally while I'm at home.  I think the cat is punking me.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2018, 03:58:20 PM »
Set up a Nest and Uokoo camers at a family member’s house. The motion sensor for the Nest is quite good. Sometimes it picks up motion of shadows when the light changes quickly or sometimes bugs. So we get some false alarms when someone isn’t expected to be home. But for the most part, it sends alerts when it actually picks up a person. The Nest cameras aren’t cheap though.

punaperson

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2018, 06:47:42 AM »
I'm sure this cop will claim that "That's what they taught at the police academy. I'm just doing as taught. Standard police operating procedure. Once the person goes down to the ground from the pepper spray, kick them. Dintdonuffin."

Washington cop benched after video shows him kicking teen at fair

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/27/washington-cop-benched-after-video-shows-him-kicking-teen-at-fair-report.html

A police officer in Yakima, Washington has reportedly been placed on desk duty after a video apparently showed him kicking a teen to the ground after spraying him with pepper spray.

Officer Ian Cole, of the Yakima Police Department, was seen on video Sunday kicking a teenaged boy on the backside with his right foot, just after he pepper-sprayed him, the Yakima Herald-Republic reported.


Interim Chief of Police Gary Jones stated in a news release published Monday that the department was aware of the video, and is investigating the situation as a "use of force review."

groveler

Re: Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2018, 05:56:38 PM »
I'm sure this cop will claim that "That's what they taught at the police academy. I'm just doing as taught. Standard police operating procedure. Once the person goes down to the ground from the pepper spray, kick them. Dintdonuffin."

Washington cop benched after video shows him kicking teen at fair

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/27/washington-cop-benched-after-video-shows-him-kicking-teen-at-fair-report.html

A police officer in Yakima, Washington has reportedly been placed on desk duty after a video apparently showed him kicking a teen to the ground after spraying him with pepper spray.

Officer Ian Cole, of the Yakima Police Department, was seen on video Sunday kicking a teenaged boy on the backside with his right foot, just after he pepper-sprayed him, the Yakima Herald-Republic reported.


Interim Chief of Police Gary Jones stated in a news release published Monday that the department was aware of the video, and is investigating the situation as a "use of force review."

I have to ask was he a Yakima nation cop?
I'm a ex-pat Washingtonian.