ConCon (Read 9893 times)

changemyoil66

Re: ConCon
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2018, 02:52:11 PM »
Been looking into this and definitely see positives. But also see potential for mainland interest groups to dump a bunch of money into the process and make things worse.

Sam Boyd gonna dump money to make a casino maybe?

drck1000

Re: ConCon
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2018, 06:47:34 PM »
Sam Boyd gonna dump money to make a casino maybe?

I used to think it would be a great idea to legalize gambling on one of the outer islands, but don't think so anymore.  I don't think Sam Boyd had that kind of money, but who knows. 

Inspector

Re: ConCon
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2018, 07:48:52 PM »

I used to think it would be a great idea to legalize gambling on one of the outer islands, but don't think so anymore.  I don't think Sam Boyd had that kind of money, but who knows.
I have watched the CA Lottery since it started. They claim that approximately $1B a year goes to schools. About $163/student. But in reality it goes to the school districts and they decide how the money is spent. Considering most CA school districts have overly large administration costs, the teachers and the students are not the ones that get the bulk of the money. So IMHO the people who the money would help the most, benefits the least. But I wonder if teachers really need the money? For instance, the average salary for a teacher in the LA Unified School District is $70K/year. I know my cousins wife makes around $80k/year. How much of that money really gets to the students then? When you consider that most students now have to pay for their own books and/or school supplies, I would guess very little gets to the students.

Also, surveys show that those who can afford to buy lottery tickets the least, buy the majority of the tickets. In other words, the poorest areas in CA generate the most in ticket sales. I have a feeling that it would be the same here. It seems the poor prefer to spend money they could spend on their families on lottery tickets.

I voted for the lottery originally. But I regret doing so now.

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: ConCon
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2018, 08:21:12 PM »
I have watched the CA Lottery since it started. They claim that approximately $1B a year goes to schools. About $163/student. But in reality it goes to the school districts and they decide how the money is spent. Considering most CA school districts have overly large administration costs, the teachers and the students are not the ones that get the bulk of the money. So IMHO the people who the money would help the most, benefits the least. But I wonder if teachers really need the money? For instance, the average salary for a teacher in the LA Unified School District is $70K/year. I know my cousins wife makes around $80k/year. How much of that money really gets to the students then? When you consider that most students now have to pay for their own books and/or school supplies, I would guess very little gets to the students.

Also, surveys show that those who can afford to buy lottery tickets the least, buy the majority of the tickets. In other words, the poorest areas in CA generate the most in ticket sales. I have a feeling that it would be the same here. It seems the poor prefer to spend money they could spend on their families on lottery tickets.

I voted for the lottery originally. But I regret doing so now.
Lots of truth in that.  Same of what I heard for lotto funds in WA state.  That said, as long as the arguments stay factual and away from religious, I'd be open to listening.  I hate when the arguments against legalizing gambling strays into religious bases reasoning. 

changemyoil66

Re: ConCon
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2018, 09:09:04 AM »
The reason why a lotto will never come here is because it's gambling.  And it will open the door for casinos.

Media is pushing hard for ConAm.  Had UH teachers on TV supporting it this morning.  But no mention of those who do not.  Besides the paid advertisements as commercials.

Like how the same people get reelected, I know ConAm will pass because all those who do ZERO research will just vote yes because they hear it's for "education".  Unless you are given info by a realtor or like, then you have no idea what it really does.

Remember all those who supported the rail, and Cayetano's main reason for running was to stop it.  Bet many wished they voted for him now.

Kuleana

Re: ConCon
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2018, 10:23:42 AM »
The reason why a lotto will never come here is because it's gambling.  And it will open the door for casinos.

And much bigger groups of organized crime.


Media is pushing hard for ConAm.  Had UH teachers on TV supporting it this morning.  But no mention of those who do not.  Besides the paid advertisements as commercials.

Like how the same people get reelected, I know ConAm will pass because all those who do ZERO research will just vote yes because they hear it's for "education".  Unless you are given info by a realtor or like, then you have no idea what it really does.

Info from realtors is just as biased.  Any laws that threaten the velocity of their business will be ruthlessly opposed by any realtor.



Remember all those who supported the rail, and Cayetano's main reason for running was to stop it.  Bet many wished they voted for him now.

Not from the short-sighted greedy engineers or construction companies that are currently making a short-term killing on the rail, who will suffer the mass layoffs and long-term financial consequences of maintaining the rail once the project is finally completed.

changemyoil66

Re: ConCon
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2018, 10:48:29 AM »
IDK if the info the realtors are saying is biased.  What they are pointing out is true.  No definition, why not make it a bill instead of in the constitution, where will the money go?  So they aren't wrong in what they're saying.

Layoffs won't affect the construction companies as much.  It's just normal business, once a major project is finished, no payroll is needed so they aren't going to suffer.  But they will make a killing now and until it's done.  It will affect the actual workers though who have to either look for a new job or wait for the next project.

Regarding organized crime, probably right about that, but are our law makes any different?  They too seem like the "mob".

Kuleana

Re: ConCon
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2018, 11:36:33 AM »
IDK if the info the realtors are saying is biased.  What they are pointing out is true.  No definition, why not make it a bill instead of in the constitution, where will the money go?  So they aren't wrong in what they're saying.

What they are pointing out may be true, but it is hard to trust the true intentions of those who only care of the loss of their own commissions should such a law take effect.


Layoffs won't affect the construction companies as much.  It's just normal business, once a major project is finished, no payroll is needed so they aren't going to suffer.  But they will make a killing now and until it's done.  It will affect the actual workers though who have to either look for a new job or wait for the next project.

Exactly, it is the common laborers of those companies that will bear the long-term costs of maintaining the rail, provided there is still money to be earned.


Regarding organized crime, probably right about that, but are our law makes any different?  They too seem like the "mob".

There is enough players in the criminal underworld in Hawaii.  Moving to outright gambling will increase their numbers and potential violence that goes with it.

groveler

Re: ConCon
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2018, 02:07:54 PM »
I filled out my ballot yesterday.
I voted for a CONCON.
Hopefully we can get casinos at the Big Island south point.
Hopefully we can get a lottery.
Lost Wages( Las Vegas) is often referred to as Hawaii's 9th island.
Keep the money here.
As far as bad gun laws,  we already have those, hopefully a more
strict constructionist  US supreme court will shut down the Tyrants we presently
suffer under.  eg Young v Hawaii county.  Open carry cannot be prohibited anymore
in Hawaii county without good reason.
I would also love to see a referendum system where we could override the
union Democrats  laws.
Why do we need a Senate? and the costs of such?
Vote for CONCON.