Opening this thread to conversation.

The data I posted nearly two months ago for "Stupid CFE Pistol 9mm" has really been from what it seems, controversial. Which makes me think I have violated a code of conduct for 2aHawaii?

I posted my disclaimers and warned people to not replicate my test. And if they are to use my data to only use it as a reference for THEIR OWN ladder testing.

If I have violated some code of conduct or etiquette by sharing my numbers I need to be told now.

My friends and I we're soon going to be ballistic gels testing on some hot 9mm reloads using Longshot and very inexpensive bulk target hollowpoints from Everglades and Precision Delta trying to get them to expand through clothing. I was going to post the data as soon as I collected them here on 2aHawaii to share.

From what it seems. That would not be taken very well here. Should I only post data that can be found in a book somewhere?

I help moderate a long range firearms and reloading forum. We allow our members to share load data good or bad. We also post periodic threads that state to use info at your own discretion and that one should never use another's load without working up to it. We have 5K members with every experience level covered. The new reloaders can learn from the experienced and sometime vice versa.

I found your loads to be quite hot but did like the info presented. IF you choose to continue, I would like to see the outcome. I do not frequent this forum daily. I follow the belief in freedom, the freedom to post whatever. To those that don't like what is posted, keep scrolling!! I don't know the house rules of this particular forum so take it for what it is.

In my opinion, it is up to the reloader to deem the information he / she gleans from any source suitable for his / her reloading activity. There is a lot of information out there via the internet. There are "influencers" on Youtube i.e. some as dumb as a rock but garner lots of attention because they are attractive etc. There is little credibility to put information out for public consumption. If you consume this information it is your responsibility not to choke on it. If i tell you to eat a steak you would cut it up first into pieces instead of scarfing down the whole piece in risk of choking on it. Same thing for reloading. Start with min loads for powder. Std primers. Shoot a few test rnds - behind a tree if you like. Check for cratered primers or other signs of overpressure. Bolt lift. Extraction signs. Get a chronograph. 3500 FPS with an 80 grainer on a .223 Rem is ludicrous - near impossible with components available to the public. Trying to replicate factory loads or issued ammo i.e. Mk262 may be dangerous.

Its truly sad that we even have to have this conversation as grown ass adults (which I'm assuming we all are). It is solely the responsibility of the reloader himself / herself to do their own homework with regards to load data. Reloading should never be considered a "leisure" activity because you are essentially creating an isolated explosion that occurs next to your face at ~50000 psi. Not just that, you are putting other people around you (whether it be your family or any civilian) in harms way as well. I very much agree with what Ren said above. Honestly, if you cannot name multiple ways of detecting pressure signs from reloading, or have not read a published reloading book or don't know where to find published load data, you belong no where near a reloading bench. At the same time, if a member here is spewing data that is 100% irresponsible, it should be common sense to call out their BS.

It does seem like the unwritten or at least the general acceptant "house rules" for 2Ahawaii (I don't know how other forums take to this type of topic, 2AHawaii is my first firearm forum I participate in) is for me to keep the above published loads private information. I won't publicly provide that type of info anymore. I would be willing to talk story about it in private messages though.

What I hoping to share least is velocities and bullet weight for that hollow point project I wanted to venture of into. Or maybe that isn't a good idea if the numbers I share aren't within the norm? Like I said, I will just probably consult with someone if I decide to share information.

Its truly sad that we even have to have this conversation as grown ass adults (which I'm assuming we all are). It is solely the responsibility of the reloader himself / herself to do their own homework with regards to load data. Reloading should never be considered a "leisure" activity because you are essentially creating an isolated explosion that occurs next to your face at ~50000 psi. Not just that, you are putting other people around you (whether it be your family or any civilian) in harms way as well. I very much agree with what Ren said above. Honestly, if you cannot name multiple ways of detecting pressure signs from reloading, or have not read a published reloading book or don't know where to find published load data, you belong no where near a reloading bench. At the same time, if a member here is spewing data that is 100% irresponsible, it should be common sense to call out their BS.

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 Truer words were never spoken, but...…

 This is reality. Reality shows that common sense SHOULD dictate what people do or don't do.
 In actual practice it's not that simple.

In this case the OP got into reloading for his 9mm pistol and got carried away with the excitement of being able to create ammunition. This is good.
He is also new to this discussion forum and is eager to share his experiences with the world. This is also good.
 When the OP first started his mad doctor experiments I actually met him and his father-in-law at the range and found them to be genuinely nice and intelligent folks.
 I encourage people to experiment because that is how discoveries are made. Neil Armstrong did not walk on the moon by reading a Jules Verne novel.
 
 As far as leisure activities go, for myself, I do consider it a leisure activity and browsing other online forums, I know many other people do also.
A big part of creating your own ammo as a hobby is pushing limits and exploring new techniques and products. It's how technological advancements are made.

 In the past, I've experimented extensively with many types of techniques and products. I still do today. You can find my projects in this forum.
 My next project is forthcoming. A little research to simulate the HPD ammo du jour at very low cost.
Ask me about the project to achieve 357 MAGNUM ballistics from a 1911 later. How about the recycled bullet project? How about the bullet I designed and named after myself?

 A truly sad day would be when free speech is quashed because other people didn't like what you have to say.
 

As an Admin/owner of another gun forum and having been MOD on a pretty big national firearms board, my take on the the OP’s postings and reaction isn’t about restricting free speech. People are free to “do what they like”, but there are consequences. Sometimes stated rules of a board. I’m not a reloader, but I think it’s this case it is what JMoyo described.  Where if anyone posts things that are dangerous, expect to get cautions. If someone posts flat out BS, expect to get called out on that. If someone needs help, they should get good feedback. All about sharing experiences. For me, many times I share my experiences  in hopes others don’t learn things “the hard way” like I did.

I actually found much of the OPs experiences interesting. I’m very much like to try things out for myself and see. While I am not one to purposely push limits like heavier powder loads, sometimes I wonder what if. Yeah, we’re all adults, but what I did find somewhat troubling was the OPs seemingly “I do what I like” attitude toward receiving honest and good feedback about being safe from those very experienced in loading.

As an Admin/owner of another gun forum and having been MOD on a pretty big national firearms board, my take on the the OP’s postings and reaction isn’t about restricting free speech. People are free to “do what they like”, but there are consequences. Sometimes stated rules of a board. I’m not a reloader, but I think it’s this case it is what JMoyo described.  Where if anyone posts things that are dangerous, expect to get cautions. If someone posts flat out BS, expect to get called out on that. If someone needs help, they should get good feedback. All about sharing experiences. For me, many times I share my experiences  in hopes others don’t learn things “the hard way” like I did.

I actually found much of the OPs experiences interesting. I’m very much like to try things out for myself and see. While I am not one to purposely push limits like heavier powder loads, sometimes I wonder what if. Yeah, we’re all adults, but what I did find somewhat troubling was the OPs seemingly “I do what I like” attitude toward receiving honest and good feedback about being safe from those very experienced in loading.

My "do what I like attitude" came from the fact that everything that I shared FELT "validated" I guess you could say. I spent hours after testing measuring case heads on different brands of brass, inspecting primers, plunking spent cases back into chambers, using the same brass till failure, recording numbers and measurements blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I got a little defensive and still unaware (maybe in denial) that there was this unsaid set of manners that I violated.

At the time I initially posted I honestly did not know I was exposing some sort demon like the one from Bird Box, and I was the jackass that invaded Sandra Bullock's safe keep and forced everyone to " LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT IT!" LMAO!

But in all seriousness, my testing took quite a long time, money and risks to collect the data that I did. Thinking that if I could help cut some of those factors for another would be cool, and it would be something that I would appreciate in return also (my thought process anyway). My data had loads that were within publication so I would say it wasn't completely useless.

I didn't mean to stir the pot or rustle the jimmies when I initially shared what I did and I still don't mean to now. I still want to take you guys along with me through my reloading adventures. But like I said, I'll keep the "ridiculous" stuff to private talks.

Guns are dangerous, information is dangerous, freedom is dangerous. That’s the whole point. Say whatever you want and I’ll be a big boy and choose what to act on.

My "do what I like attitude" came from the fact that everything that I shared FELT "validated" I guess you could say. I spent hours after testing measuring case heads on different brands of brass, inspecting primers, plunking spent cases back into chambers, using the same brass till failure, recording numbers and measurements blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I got a little defensive and still unaware (maybe in denial) that there was this unsaid set of manners that I violated.

At the time I initially posted I honestly did not know I was exposing some sort demon like the one from Bird Box, and I was the jackass that invaded Sandra Bullock's safe keep and forced everyone to " LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT IT!" LMAO!

But in all seriousness, my testing took quite a long time, money and risks to collect the data that I did. Thinking that if I could help cut some of those factors for another would be cool, and it would be something that I would appreciate in return also (my thought process anyway). My data had loads that were within publication so I would say it wasn't completely useless.

I didn't mean to stir the pot or rustle the jimmies when I initially shared what I did and I still don't mean to now. I still want to take you guys along with me through my reloading adventures. But like I said, I'll keep the "ridiculous" stuff to private talks.

Some may disagree with you, others may not, that's everyday life. Keep posting what you want. I'm a grown a$$ man and more than capable of weeding out information on the internet that I find useless or dangerous. If no one pushed their loads, we would all be shooting one caliber. Of course I would like you to be safe but if you choose to push the envelope, you should be allowed to and post about it. Like I mentioned earlier, anyone that doesn't like what you posted keep scrolling. 

Guns are dangerous, information is dangerous, freedom is dangerous. That’s the whole point. Say whatever you want and I’ll be a big boy and choose what to act on.

Agreed 100%

Was something deleted that I don't know about? 

There is no "rules" about posting reloading info that I know of on this forum.  Your loads are on the hot side and it looks like you do your due diligence in testing and being careful.  I made my recommendations on the subject before, everyone is an adult and should also do their due diligence, research, and learn as much as possible.  Be safe, careful, and don't forget about others shooting next to you.

Some may have been more harsh than others, but all in good intentions.

You posted a lot of good data that other would and should look at. 

Just be careful and attentive.  When you push to that red line, the margin for errors drops exponentially.  Just putting that out there, we all make errors once and a while.