As always, why don't you come to Mauna Kea and PEACEFULLY educate the Hawaiians that their cause for freedom from the US is foolhardy as well as present your wager above.

And your upside down flags burning in the streets...

Why does he have to travel to the protestors' illegal presence at Mauna Kea? These protestors don't want to negotiate and absolutely don't want the telescope to be built. So what's the point of "educating" them? They have chained themselves to a cattle guard and put elderly persons on the access road. Who can reason with that mentality?
Why don't they stop blocking the road to observatories and protest something more aligned with the issues of "illegal U.S. occupation", "imperialism" and "colonialism". i.e. a U.S. military base. Like I said this project is a partnership of nations: India, China and Canada. Why don't you and your protestors travel to India, China and Canada and protest there?

"Your flag" was nailed to an illegal building.  What kind of respect is that?

Bunch of hypocrites now feigning outrage over it being removed.   

Was the flag "proudly" nailed to the door and covered with more wood?  Just asking, because the whole thing is confusing.  I don't think that's how I was taught to respect symbols, particularly flags.

Also, flying a flag upside-down is an international symbol of distress, which means you are summoning help immediately in a life-or-death situation.

Pretending you're respecting the flag while at the same time using it in a way that demonstrates no respect for the traditions, rules and laws concerning the proper use of flags makes everyone who does it look ridiculous and childish.

We've already been over this. I'd have more success educating to the rocks in my yard than educating the brainwashed ignorant superstitious racist ideologues that make up most of the illegally-road-blocking criminals. They are immune to facts (that's what brainwashing is). You prove this over and over and over.


Your brainwashing has left you to believe that Hawaii is somehow part of the USA, when their is NO US CONSTITIONALLY legal documents to prove it.   




I HAVE presented my wager to several people who made the claim that the "kingdom" would be restored in the "very near future" and the unanimous response was: crickets. I'm officially (in case you were incapable of comprehending it in the previous comment) making the wager to YOU. So, what's your answer? In plain English... yeah, I know, that's the language of the "illegal occupiers", but, fuck you... that's the language you write in here on this board. Just answer a simple question. It'll be the first time if you do. You know, like: "YES" or "NO".


Please do not accuse me of using profanity on this forum.  If there is someone who is incessantly UNCIVIL and uses PROFANITY as the means to communicate, you need to look in the mirror.   

The kapuna who were arrested were not "put there", but choose to stand for the cause that they believe in and are looking forward to their day in court by the way.

The project maybe international, but we know which country has the controlling interest and it is not India, China, or Canada.

they sure are "protecting" the mauna
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/blog/2019/09/12/nr19-163/

Please keep your comments peaceful.  Making indirect threats to incite violence is immoral.   

Quote from: punaperson on Today at 06:18:57 AM
We've already been over this. I'd have more success educating to the rocks in my yard than educating the brainwashed ignorant superstitious racist ideologues that make up most of the illegally-road-blocking criminals. They are immune to facts (that's what brainwashing is). You prove this over and over and over.

kuleana: Your brainwashing has left you to believe that Hawaii is somehow part of the USA, when their is NO US CONSTITIONALLY legal documents to prove it.   

I HAVE presented my wager to several people who made the claim that the "kingdom" would be restored in the "very near future" and the unanimous response was: crickets. I'm officially (in case you were incapable of comprehending it in the previous comment) making the wager to YOU. So, what's your answer? In plain English... yeah, I know, that's the language of the "illegal occupiers", but, fuck you... that's the language you write in here on this board. Just answer a simple question. It'll be the first time if you do. You know, like: "YES" or "NO".

kuleana: Please do not accuse me of using profanity on this forum.  If there is someone who is incessantly UNCIVIL and uses PROFANITY as the means to communicate, you need to look in the mirror.   

Please keep your comments peaceful.  Making indirect threats to incite violence is immoral.   

There are many Hawaiians that have decided to join the movement, but albeit need to educate themselves on such protocols in regards to handling a national flag. However, the flying the Hawaiian national flag upside-down is accurate as the Hawaiian nation is under distress.

A distress signal indicates that a person or group of people, ship, aircraft, or other vehicle is threatened by
serious and/or imminent danger and requires immediate assistance.[1]:PCG D−3

Use of distress signals in other circumstances may be against local or international law.
An urgency signal is available to request assistance in less critical situations.

In order for distress signalling to be the most effective, two parameters must be communicated:

    - Alert or notification of a distress in progress
    - Position or location (or localization or pinpointing) of the party in distress.

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Inverted flags

For hundreds of years inverted national flags were commonly used as distress signals.[3] However, for some countries’
flags it is difficult (e.g., Spain, South Korea) or impossible (e.g., Japan, Thailand, and Israel) to determine whether they
are inverted. Other countries have flags that are inverses of each other; for example, the Polish flag is white on the top
half and red on the bottom, while Indonesia's and Monaco's flags are the opposite—i.e., top half red, bottom half white.
A ship flying no flags may also be understood to be in distress.[4]

If any flag is available, distress may be indicated by tying a knot in it and then flying it upside-down, making it into a wheft.[5]

The American flag was burned in the street by Hawaiian protestors so what makes burning the “movements” flags “immoral”  and inciting violence. Your comment proves that the possibility of any violence will be from the protestors. Think before you comment, your ignorance is shining brightly......

Please define "distress".

I don't think that means what you think it means.

A "distress signal" is not for a movement.  It's to request immediate assistance.  You expect all who see it to run to your location and help.

What, exactly, do those here in "distress" expect anyone answering that distress signal to do?  Honestly, redefining language to fit your narrative is so .... Liberal.

This is me, PEACEFULLY educating you:

Flying the flag upside down because "illegal occupation" is neither an immediate danger nor a recognized use of ANY form of distress signal.

it is the equivalent of calling 911 because you're facing eviction in a month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_signal

I am very sincerely touched that you spent a great deal of effort to educate me.

The Hawaiian nation is indeed in a situation of distress.

Our country is being illegally occupied, environmentally polluted, overpopulated by immigrants, etc. by the US. 

No Hawaiian is asking for the US to stay. 

I really hope the US teaches the Hawaiians a lesson and leave the islands to its own fate.  After a period of getting back to a period of normalcy, I am confident of Hawaii's future.

I am very sincerely touched that you spent a great deal of effort to educate me.

The Hawaiian nation is indeed in a situation of distress.

Our country is being illegally occupied, environmentally polluted, overpopulated by immigrants, etc. by the US.  No Hawaiian is asking for the US to stay.  I really hope the US teaches the Hawaiians a lesson and leave the islands to its own fate.  After a period of getting back to a period of normalcy, I am confident of Hawaii's future.

Really?  "No Hawaiian" anywhere?  Those born here since statehood only know life as a US citizen.  I would wager a majority are not keen on the idea of becoming an independent nation divorced of the protection, civil liberties and prosperity they've become accustomed to.

Were "no Hawaiians" okay with being a state when Obama became president?  I have a feeling you're just making that "statistic" up.

Once again, you make it sound Hawaii was some sort of closed and restricted society prior to the illegal annexation by the US 1898.  Hawaii was far more progressive than the US, had a constitution of its own, and civil liberties, albeit under a constitutional monarchy.

What made you think Hawaiians were happy being part of the US under the Obama administration?  Do you forget the Department of Interior hearings that were conducted to dupe Hawaiians to become a federally recognized tribe under the US under Obama's watch?  Let me educate you what happened. Hawaiians everywhere said NO and that was the end with that.  The reason for NO, every Hawaiian knew there was no US Constitutionally legal Treaty of Annexation, therefore, making the current US presence in Hawaii illegal.