Whistleblower complaint (Read 60637 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2019, 08:57:17 PM »
I use multiple sources to make my own conclusion. Same sources that conuded russia was a waste of time from the start. Same sources that said a porn star is not going to impeach anyone. Same intel about the Bidens from years ago. Even this is old news to those awoke.

On the opposite spectrum, your sources stated differently. Same guys who said WMDs exist and an entire war was based on it. Same sources that found 2 passports and none other. Same sources that dont mention how ISIS was created in Syria.  The list goes on.

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My sources stated differently? Not sure what you are saying my sources are.

My point is that we shouldn't just be looking for things that exonerate Trump the same way people on the left shouldn't just be looking for something that looks bad for Trump. There is no fact finding and no justice when people are only looking for things to support what they want to believe.

So when we have a statement like that from the Ukranian president, look at it from both sides. What he said could be an important bit of evidence to exonerate Trump but also consider that if Trump really was making some back door deal that the Ukranian president might have many reasons to lie about it. How about that thought process instead of saying "oh look, the guy said Trump is innocent, that's proof enough, case closed, all else is fake news. "

changemyoil66

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2019, 08:47:35 AM »
My sources stated differently? Not sure what you are saying my sources are.

My point is that we shouldn't just be looking for things that exonerate Trump the same way people on the left shouldn't just be looking for something that looks bad for Trump. There is no fact finding and no justice when people are only looking for things to support what they want to believe.

So when we have a statement like that from the Ukranian president, look at it from both sides. What he said could be an important bit of evidence to exonerate Trump but also consider that if Trump really was making some back door deal that the Ukranian president might have many reasons to lie about it. How about that thought process instead of saying "oh look, the guy said Trump is innocent, that's proof enough, case closed, all else is fake news. "

Yes your "sources" state that Trump is using a QPQ and guilty of lots of stuff even though via deductive reasoning does prove otherwise.  Not only for Ukraine, but Russia as well.  I don't just believe what any new source tells me (even my trusted ones).  I use them as a starting point and then dig deeper and then come to my own conclusions.  This is how I knew from about 1 month into the Russia story, that it held no merit.  And same goes with Ukraine.  I knew right off the bat that it's another nothing burger.  Does it make sense that instead of looking into the ones who took the money, the DNC is looking into the guy who's saying people should look into them?  And again, thru my sources, I knew about Ukraine in 2016.

Ask yourself this.  Trump has been investigated for years and everything came out to be a nothing burger. So by theory, he is the most vetted politician in US history.  And none of his "witnesses" ever committed suicide or died from unusual circumstances.

Ukraine is another fabricated story because they want to swing the election to the DNC side and make people forget about Epstein.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2019, 09:48:37 PM »
Yes your "sources" state that Trump is using a QPQ and guilty of lots of stuff even though via deductive reasoning does prove otherwise.  Not only for Ukraine, but Russia as well.  I don't just believe what any new source tells me (even my trusted ones).  I use them as a starting point and then dig deeper and then come to my own conclusions.  This is how I knew from about 1 month into the Russia story, that it held no merit.  And same goes with Ukraine.  I knew right off the bat that it's another nothing burger.  Does it make sense that instead of looking into the ones who took the money, the DNC is looking into the guy who's saying people should look into them?  And again, thru my sources, I knew about Ukraine in 2016.

Ask yourself this.  Trump has been investigated for years and everything came out to be a nothing burger. So by theory, he is the most vetted politician in US history.  And none of his "witnesses" ever committed suicide or died from unusual circumstances.

Ukraine is another fabricated story because they want to swing the election to the DNC side and make people forget about Epstein.

I am looking back at my post history and I don't see where I posted the sources. As is my current understanding of the known evidence there is no proof of quid-pro-quo however the timing and nature of the request looks awfully suspicious. The QPQ was not explicitly stated however I think anyone involved would believe that Trump's request could be related to the financial dealings. So it could be nothing but it sure looks bad. It gives the appearance of impropriety which isn't good and the leader of the free world should know better. However though I think it clearly was a bad choice on his part but I did not believe he should be impeached over that.

Investigations haven't shown that it was a nothing burger, I don't think that is accurate. The investigation didn't find enough evidence to prove a criminal act on Trump's part however insufficient evidence doesn't prove he was innocent either.

However, I think that I pointed this out but just in case I didn't, the law in question does not mention QPQ as an aspect of the crime, so even if there wasn't QPQ does not prove no crime occurred.


What I am trying to digest now is Rudy Guliani's two associates who were arrested when they were trying to leave the country. The two of them had met Trump on multiple occasions as well. Did Trump have any dealings with these two? No idea yet but it doesn't look great for Giuliani.

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changemyoil66

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2019, 09:04:22 AM »
I am looking back at my post history and I don't see where I posted the sources. As is my current understanding of the known evidence there is no proof of quid-pro-quo however the timing and nature of the request looks awfully suspicious. The QPQ was not explicitly stated however I think anyone involved would believe that Trump's request could be related to the financial dealings. So it could be nothing but it sure looks bad. It gives the appearance of impropriety which isn't good and the leader of the free world should know better. However though I think it clearly was a bad choice on his part but I did not believe he should be impeached over that.

Investigations haven't shown that it was a nothing burger, I don't think that is accurate. The investigation didn't find enough evidence to prove a criminal act on Trump's part however insufficient evidence doesn't prove he was innocent either.

However, I think that I pointed this out but just in case I didn't, the law in question does not mention QPQ as an aspect of the crime, so even if there wasn't QPQ does not prove no crime occurred.


What I am trying to digest now is Rudy Guliani's two associates who were arrested when they were trying to leave the country. The two of them had met Trump on multiple occasions as well. Did Trump have any dealings with these two? No idea yet but it doesn't look great for Giuliani.


Try looking into the timeline of how this all began for this year.  I'll give you a starting point, Feb 2019 Ukraine reopens investigation into Biden's.  Here's another huge clue, WB guidelines changed all of a sudden in Aug 2019.  nuthin to see here.

Interesting how Guliani's associates were arrested so quickly.  I guess because they don't play on the correct team (DNC).  Still looking into real reason why.
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Inspector

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2019, 08:32:19 PM »
I should know better. I’ve had many convos with folks like Inspector about this. I should learn more from him. Shoot more and post less. Which reminds me, I should make time to shoot with those guys again. Lots of wisdom to be shared and not BS.
It’s a lot harder being real. It takes intelligence and integrity. But then you know who your true friends are.  :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:

It’s easy to be a hypocrite. It takes very little thought and low morals.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bass monkey

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2019, 11:28:58 PM »
With all this impeachment talks and investigations,  the democrats have been on the run and on the defense. 
Coincidently,  no mass shootings or false flags been happening lately.
 I take that back,  there was 3 in 2 day's that one month. 
 However During the last presidency it seemed to happen quarterly.  As soon as everyone forgot another would happen. 
Interesting thought

changemyoil66

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2019, 09:21:07 AM »
With all this impeachment talks and investigations,  the democrats have been on the run and on the defense. 
Coincidently,  no mass shootings or false flags been happening lately.
 I take that back,  there was 3 in 2 day's that one month. 
 However During the last presidency it seemed to happen quarterly.  As soon as everyone forgot another would happen. 
Interesting thought

#noteverythingisafalseflag

changemyoil66

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2019, 11:40:55 AM »
Now word on the block is Sheiff pressured Ukraine officials to report that they felt pressured by Trump.  So much pressure going on.  For every phone call, Trump needs a trace busta busta busta. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2019, 12:37:19 PM »
Now word on the block is Sheiff pressured Ukraine officials to report that they felt pressured by Trump.  So much pressure going on.  For every phone call, Trump needs a trace busta busta busta.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2019, 10:55:59 PM »

Try looking into the timeline of how this all began for this year.  I'll give you a starting point, Feb 2019 Ukraine reopens investigation into Biden's.  Here's another huge clue, WB guidelines changed all of a sudden in Aug 2019.  nuthin to see here.

Three things:
1. Does any of that justify Trump threatening the whistleblower?
2. The WB guidelines that were changed just prior to the complaint only affect one part of the whistleblower's complaint. Other aspects of the complaint were not affected by the guideline change.
3. While the guideline change looks mighty suspicious it doesn't prove that the claim is not true.



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Interesting how Guliani's associates were arrested so quickly.  I guess because they don't play on the correct team (DNC).  Still looking into real reason why.

Or maybe they committed a crime and were leaving the country... From what is coming out about Guliani he is starting to look pretty corrupt. (Still digesting that story though)

Inspector

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2019, 03:04:58 PM »
This whistleblower(s) is all a nothing burger. There is nothing anyone can say that can possibly change the wording and meaning of the actual transcript. Since the president surprised the hell out Schiff and Pelosi by releasing the transcript, it certainly makes them look bad for accusing the president of something he didn’t do and something he didn’t say.

The impeachment is retaliation for the investigation that is exposing all the corruption from those on the left. Especially those with the names Hilary and Barrack. The real constitutional crisis is being created by the democrats in order to cover up for those two.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2019, 10:35:49 PM »
This whistleblower(s) is all a nothing burger.

How can you say that when you don't know all the details of what was reported? There is more to the complaint than just what was in the phone transcript.

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There is nothing anyone can say that can possibly change the wording and meaning of the actual transcript. Since the president surprised the hell out Schiff and Pelosi by releasing the transcript, it certainly makes them look bad for accusing the president of something he didn’t do and something he didn’t say.

If you trust the transcript.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2019, 10:47:36 PM »
How can you say that when you don't know all the details of what was reported? There is more to the complaint than just what was in the phone transcript.

If you trust the transcript.

Please enlighten us all as to what, exactly, was in the complaint that was not in the transcript.

You obviously have inside sources to know that, since you also stated Inspector doesn't "know all the details of what was reported".  I assume you said that because the news has not had the actual contents of the complaint leaked yet.  Strange, since everything else Shifty-Schiff touches that's bad for Trump has been leaked to the press at the speed of light.

How can the details be unknown, but you somehow know there is more in the report than what was in the transcript?
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Inspector

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #74 on: October 20, 2019, 04:13:49 AM »
Please enlighten us all as to what, exactly, was in the complaint that was not in the transcript.

You obviously have inside sources to know that, since you also stated Inspector doesn't "know all the details of what was reported".  I assume you said that because the news has not had the actual contents of the complaint leaked yet.  Strange, since everything else Shifty-Schiff touches that's bad for Trump has been leaked to the press at the speed of light.

How can the details be unknown, but you somehow know there is more in the report than what was in the transcript?
Just ignore him, Flapp. He’s just looking for attention. :wacko:
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Inspector

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2019, 05:14:28 AM »
I did informal research this morning. When a story as big as the “Whistleblower” breaks, I search all of the MSM outlets that I can remember (getting old) for all the aspects of the story so I know what is being said on both sides.

This morning I searched the first page of each of these websites for the word “Whistleblower” from: NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, MSNBC, CNN, Huffington Post, New York Times, Daily Wire, Wall Street Journal, Daily Caller, The Hill, Fox Financial News and Fox News. These are the outlets I turn to try and understand what is being said on both sides of issues that interest me.

I found every page talking about Impeachment due to Mulvaney’s testimony. I found impeachment talk due to the announcement that the G7 summit will be held at a Trump property. Thereby enriching him. BTW, the conservative outlets are already reporting this has changed due to backlash. The Liberal outlets are not reporting this, yet.

What did I find even remotely related to the “Whistleblower”? Nothing. Nada, Zilch. This story is now officially dead. It was a nothing burger when it broke. Though without the transcript it was a big deal. Once the transcript broke, once it came out that the “Whistleblower” lied on the application, once it was revealed that Adam Schiff lied about never talking to the “Whistleblower”, once it was discovered that the “Whistleblower” had only second hand information, once the bias of the “Whistleblower” was revealed, once the lie that the “Whistleblower” was going to testify, then testify in writing, then not at all, the left tried to do damage control. Once the left and their MSM outlet supporters realized it was a nothing burger, they dropped the story. If there was any meat to this story that could be used to impeach Trump it would continue to be front page news. At least at this time this morning, it is dead. There is nothing to add to this story that isn’t already out there. It doesn’t matter how many so called “Whistleblowers” come forward with first hand knowledge. Nothing can change what was discussed between the 2 presidents. Once you read the transcript for yourself (I did), you realize the left has been lying about this from the beginning. Including even before the transcript was released. The left never dreamed that Trump would release it and expose their lies.

While I feel that Trump did the right thing and release the transcript, I don’t like the fact that it was released because it sets a dangerous precedence for future political shenanigans by either party.
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changemyoil66

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2019, 08:10:40 AM »
WMDs. Fake news
Russia. Fake news
Ukraine. Fake news

What what sheep will be fooled by next...

Theyre trying with Syria...oh wait peace talks after a few days? Oh no.

No coverage on

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9th NYPD cop commits suicide
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Inspector

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2019, 09:04:56 AM »
WMDs. Fake news
Russia. Fake news
Ukraine. Fake news

What what sheep will be fooled by next...

Theyre trying with Syria...oh wait peace talks after a few days? Oh no.

No coverage on

Project Veritas
Lead detective for epstein invesigation dies at age 50
9th NYPD cop commits suicide
Bidens son
Bidens brother in Iraq

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Since Trump’s election I have completely given up on any of the MSM news agencies even thinking about telling the WHOLE truth. However, the NYT occasionally actually puts out truthful reporting. But usually only after they cannot deny or lie about it further. For example, they only recently reported that the Steele Dossier was likely Russian misinformation. Which, if true, proves the Russians were not only trying to interfere in our election, but Hilary, the DNC (lead by Hilary), other assorted Democrats were trying to change the results against Trump. Which obviously goes against the narrative from the left and MSM that Trump was conspiring with the Russians.

BTW, my conspiracy theory is that the Democrats are trying to hurry the impeachment hearings along in order to get the impeachment vote against Trump done BEFORE the IG report comes out. Because once the IG report comes out and charges are brought, it is going to blow up any and all so called “evidence” that they have to impeach Trump.  :tinfoil:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2019, 09:41:55 AM »
Just ignore him, Flapp. He’s just looking for attention. :wacko:

Just pointing out the obvious inconsistency in his statements, that YOU don't know what's in the complaint that wasn't released, but somehow HE does!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well, obvious to anyone but him.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Whistleblower complaint
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2019, 10:10:48 AM »
Inspector - There you go and taking a rational and logical approach, as opposed to emotional and “must do something” or “bad man meen” approach. Seems like political shenanigans all around, but more with one side. I’ll leave it to logical and sane folks to decide for themselves. That said, one side has an obvious pattern of throwing crap up on the board and trying to see what sticks. If it doesn’t, move onto the next. Sad that many eat it all up and take it as fact while anything to the contrary is written off as “well, my sources didn’t say”.