Man fuck Hawaii media. You can just feel in the article that they are trying to make the intruder with the knife the victim and the homeowner the scary psychopath with a gun.

What language in the article leads you to that conclusion? Looks like pretty neutral language to me.

Hawaii doesn't have a castle doctrine  or stand your ground laws..... after all this state is democratically run. 

Hawaii does have a castle doctrine.

Hawaii does have a castle doctrine.

You will still get arrested and all your guns confiscated,
not much of a castle is it?

You will still get arrested and all your guns confiscated,
not much of a castle is it?

If they take the gun I used, there's no reason to take ALL of my guns.  They'd have to force me to open my gun safe to do that, and without a signed warrant, that's not happening. 

My guns sitting locked up and me under arrest pose no threat to anyone.

I will cooperate with the investigation, but I'm not assisting them in finding evidence that may be used against me.

Hawaii does have a castle doctrine.

It's a modified castle doctrine.  You're not immune from civil liability like many states castle docs are.  Also you still have a duty to retreat within the dwelling, but not from the dwelling.  So if bad guy comes in the front door and you're in the kitchen.  If you can safely make it to another part of the home, you shall go there.  But you do not have to jump out the window or leave your home.  Now it's how you articulate why you didn't move to another portion of the home when asked.  Or if you live in a 400sq foot condo, then there is no where else to go.  Advantage for having a small condo which is the norm in HI.

What language in the article leads you to that conclusion? Looks like pretty neutral language to me.

The original article by KHON referred to the knife wielder as "victim".  And original headline read "Homeowner arrested and charged with murder".  Didn't know the prosecutors office was awake at 10pm or so on a Friday night to determine a murder charge and all evidence gathered.  No mention of detaining or "pending investigation.  They changed it hours later after the comments were majority angry that the homeowner was arrested and charged.  So once again piss poor reporting by the media to make a story.  And the overall tone was the guy who got shot was the "good guy".

HNN's article was  better written.  But came out way after KHON's one.

You always have choices.  The problem is, you're choosing under duress and on-the-spot.  The prosecutor will be sitting in an office reading a police report while second-guessing your decisions, motivations, and their chances of getting a conviction.

That's why it's good to have a plan, but plan on that plan failing also.  And keep quiet.  Just give name.

SNIP

A bad outcome would be if it was a regular chronic in the area with a knife on his belt and the homeowner said screw it I'll make him an example.  Or at least that's what the prosecutor would say.  Not worth shooting or getting involved unless your life is truly at stake and it's a last resort.  Going to be very expensive for the shooter with the attorneys fees, civil lawsuit, possibility of losing his job, and strain on the family

I know that area pretty well, but haven't been in the area much in the past few years.  Anyways, yeah, there's a lot of chronics in that area.  Especially after they "improved" the area around Oneula Beach Park.  I used to surf out there often in HS days and the "Hau Bush" was home to many. 

From the reports, looks like corner house on the main drag.  Those seem to be regular targets of burglaries.  Many corner houses where I grew up have bars on all windows and doors.  And this is a neighborhood that is generally thought of as low crime. 

That's why it's good to have a plan, but plan on that plan failing also.  And keep quiet.  Just give name.

#1 phone call: 911

#2 phone call:  Firearm Insurance Hotline   

#1 phone call: 911

#2 phone call:  Firearm Insurance Hotline   

I bet 75% of the folks on here don't have SD insurance.

I bet 75% of the folks on here don't have SD insurance.

You would be right about that with me.

What does it cost, very roughly?   i can hear the wife now, "what do you need that for, planning on shooting someone?"

You would be right about that with me.

What does it cost, very roughly?   i can hear the wife now, "what do you need that for, planning on shooting someone?"

I don’t plan on shooting anyone, but I’m sure there are those that are planning to be up to no good that may warrant being shot to stop them.

That logic wasn’t received well by the last gf when she asked why I felt I needed a gun 

 

That logic wasn’t received well by the last gf when she asked why I felt I needed a gun 

is that why she's an ex-gf?

I pay $30 a month for USCCA Platinum insurance coverage, which is the most popular one.  There is a lesser and a more coverage.  This covers ANY weapon not prohibited by law, not just firearms. 

is that why she's an ex-gf?

One of the minor reasons. Primary being she was nuckin futs 

 

I pay $30 a month for USCCA Platinum insurance coverage, which is the most popular one.  There is a lesser and a more coverage.  This covers ANY weapon not prohibited by law, not just firearms.

Thanks.

Had a bad impression of USCCA after they spammed the hell out of me a while back, but will check it out. 

Sounds like nun-chuk use would not be covered.  My bedside machete should be good to go.

One of the minor reasons. Primary being she was nuckin futs 

 

so she was high on the hot/crazy scale?

does she have a sister?

so she was high on the hot/crazy scale?

does she have a sister?

Hot to crazy ratio? 1:Totallynotworthit

Yeah, she does have a sister. Prob about your age. 

https://www.khon2.com/news/hawaiis-law-on-using-deadly-force/

Prosecuting attorney Megan Kau said the law states that a person can use deadly force to defend him or herself from deadly force if they believe it’s reasonably necessary.

“In other words, you can’t bring a knife to a fistfight, you can’t bring a gun to a knife fight, you have to use the same force the person is using against you in order for you to be justified,” she said.

Uh, really? That’s what the HRS says? 

https://www.khon2.com/news/hawaiis-law-on-using-deadly-force/

Uh, really? That’s what the HRS says? 

she is probably using her own interpretation of:
You cannot justify the use of deadly force defensively if you initiated its use or escalated a confrontation.