Homelessness (Read 3129 times)

ren

Homelessness
« on: November 05, 2019, 05:57:12 PM »
The real problem:
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/11/06/lawmakers-put-up-m-create-ohana-zones-homeless-so-where-are-they/

“Anybody left on the streets, if they’re caught sleeping they will be arrested on site,” said Kaulupali.

With pets prohibited at most homeless shelters, he’s uncertain what his next move will be.

Kaulupali said, “If my dog cannot go then I’m not going, too.”
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Rocky

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2019, 06:14:42 PM »
30  Mil $ comes out to 60 3bd rm condo's or even more studio apts.
Guess we're saving it for rail.  :crazy:
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Inspector

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2019, 06:21:32 AM »
Not only has little been done, I’ll bet little will ever get done. Too much bureaucracy and not enough leadership.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2019, 08:24:02 AM »
30  Mil $ comes out to 60 3bd rm condo's or even more studio apts.
Guess we're saving it for rail.  :crazy:
And that would be pretty decent level condos. While not luxury, it’s more than I paid for mine back in the early 2000s.

zippz

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 08:43:13 AM »
I did a little work on homeless projects.  There's so many regulations, zoning issues, community opposition, and multiple department hearings that it's very difficult to get anything done.  You could probably get things done in other states 4x faster for a fourth of the cost even accounting for the cost of living difference.  Things like building homes out of shipping containers or cheap cottages are impossible or at least wildly overpriced here.

This is why charities, churches, and private sector are important as they can bypass some of this.  But its up to you to support them.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2019, 08:48:46 AM by zippz »

changemyoil66

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2019, 09:14:46 AM »
I did a little work on homeless projects.  There's so many regulations, zoning issues, community opposition, and multiple department hearings that it's very difficult to get anything done.  You could probably get things done in other states 4x faster for a fourth of the cost even accounting for the cost of living difference.  Things like building homes out of shipping containers or cheap cottages are impossible or at least wildly overpriced here.

This is why charities, churches, and private sector are important as they can bypass some of this.  But its up to you to support them.

But according to some, the government should take care of everything right?

We went to help  a church feed at a shelter in kakaako.  Spoke to the woman in charge of the feeding (not the top dog).  Since she's there daily she knows the real 411.  She said many don't come to the shelter because there are rules to follow.  The ones there are mostly the ones with families, just trying to make a life (drug free/mentally stable).  These are the people who even if were on the street, wouldn't commit crimes.  They rely heavily on the community for support.  They had an area with about 12 apple computers that were donated by another church.  They were the older jelly bean type ones, but still work fine.  So the kids can do their homework or anyone who needs a computer for use.

groveler

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2019, 01:20:11 PM »
But according to some, the government should take care of everything right?

We went to help  a church feed at a shelter in kakaako.  Spoke to the woman in charge of the feeding (not the top dog).  Since she's there daily she knows the real 411.  She said many don't come to the shelter because there are rules to follow.  The ones there are mostly the ones with families, just trying to make a life (drug free/mentally stable).  These are the people who even if were on the street, wouldn't commit crimes.  They rely heavily on the community for support.  They had an area with about 12 apple computers that were donated by another church.  They were the older jelly bean type ones, but still work fine.  So the kids can do their homework or anyone who needs a computer for use.
That is the real homeless problem, is not people that want and need some help, it is the
many that "don't come to the shelter because there are rules to follow."
People like their freedom.  We as a society today,  enable, for political reasons,
what in the past was considered to be selfishness, thoughtlessness, and lawlessness .
Yet that same society continues to increasingly constrict people that follow the "rules" because we
are the ones that follow the rules.
Something is wrong with that.  Who are the stupid ones?

changemyoil66

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2019, 02:20:37 PM »
That is the real homeless problem, is not people that want and need some help, it is the
many that "don't come to the shelter because there are rules to follow."
People like their freedom.  We as a society today,  enable, for political reasons,
what in the past was considered to be selfishness, thoughtlessness, and lawlessness .
Yet that same society continues to increasingly constrict people that follow the "rules" because we
are the ones that follow the rules.
Something is wrong with that.  Who are the stupid ones?

I never asked her what rules do they not want to follow.  But it might be no drug/alcohol use inside the warehouse. 

ren

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2019, 02:28:42 PM »
when you enable them by offering free services etc.
https://chinatownwatch.com/
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drck1000

Re: Homelessness
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2019, 03:49:37 PM »
I heard there are quite a number of shelters, temp homes, etc available from a couple of friends who work at IHS and other places.  But many homeless don't want to live under those rules.  Some have flat out said that they enjoy the freedom of living out on the street.  I remember interviews of those that used to camp out at Thomas Square like 5+ years ago.  They basically say that they just don't want to go to shelters.

Then there are those who use drugs, mentally unstable, etc.  Tough cases all around.  Have friends who encounter them in the ER and as EMS/EMT.  The stuff they tell me. . .  :(  :(  :(