Trump Impeachment Proceedings (Read 108010 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2019, 10:25:04 PM »
before that he dealt with North Korea, is continuously working with a trade deal with China, builds a wall on our Southern border, keeps fighting for America first by pulling us out of the Paris Accords,
yep our President has been busy. His accomplishments shadow that of at least 2 Presidents before him.

oh yeah, FISA case comes out in a week. Let's see who really is behind the corruption.
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pull the drain on the swamp

meanwhile the VP's drug addict of a son and Navy discharge officer pulls in millions a year for just being - Biden's son.
"Know anything about energy?" Hunter: "nope"
"Speak Ukranian?" Hunter: "nope."

one of foreign policy's principles IS quid pro quo. We don't give anything to another country for free. There is an exchange.

I think probably both the Biden's and Trump are guilty of improper dealings with/in Ukraine.

Trump may have had justification to request an investigation but the timing and the way he went about it sure look fishy.

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2019, 07:53:48 AM »
Can’t find a good quote, but have a listen to NPR’s coverage of today’s proceedings, particularly Jonathan Turley. Crap on his past views however you want, but he brings up very logical facts. Dems have accused WH of withholding key witnesses and info (while doing so themselves with classified IG reports). Yet, how can they fully move forward with proceedings admitting that there’s evidence that has either not been provided or even allowed?

There was a quote that I was trying to find, but basically was about lowering the bar for impeachment for political purposes to essentially a British style of removing someone based on whims, because they don’t get along with the other side. Also about the history of bribery in the context of the UNITED STATES.

Anyways, will try to find the exact quote. But to me, that’s now getting to the point of all of this.

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2019, 01:47:15 PM »
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Rep. Matt Gaetz
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If wiretapping a political opponent is an impeachable offense, I look forward to reading that inspector general’s report, because maybe it’s a different president we should be impeaching.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2019, 02:28:18 PM »
Headline on yahoo is "3 of 4 constitutional law experts say Trump is impeachable".  I wonder what those 3 say about the 2a.  And IIRC, the 3 who said he is impeachable were all vetted by the DNC as their "experts".

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2019, 02:31:17 PM »
Headline on yahoo is "3 of 4 constitutional law experts say Trump is impeachable".  I wonder what those 3 say about the 2a.  And IIRC, the 3 who said he is impeachable were all vetted by the DNC as their "experts".

The woman on the panel gave thousands to Warren, Obama, and Hillary (she received $2K -- more than the other two).

The lawyer is also the head of the Stanford Law School and was on Hillary's short list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

I guess this is her way of lashing out at Trump for ruining her shot at SCOTUS.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2019, 04:01:41 PM »
One point made during a FOX interview is how the Democrats and today's non-witnesses keep misquoting Trump.

They keep saying Trump's call with Zelensky contained the statement, "Do me a favor."  That's a lie, pure and simple.

Trump said, "Do us a favor."  The context shows he was clearly saying the "favor" was for the American people, NOT for personal reasons.

It's black and white.

I hate the Democrats in DC, and it takes A LOT for me to hate anyone.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2019, 08:14:44 PM »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2019, 09:03:15 PM »
I haven't watched all the hearings but have been catching at least half an hour every day on my way to work.

From what I have gathered it appears that the democrat case is essentially a circumstantial one. It is harder to prove but it can be done. Meanwhile the republican defense seems to be trying to suggest that this lack of direct evidence means no crime can be proven. Both sides have some merits to their arguments. Proving someone committed this type of crime is often going to rely on circumstantial evidence because a smart criminal is not going to come out and say they want to bribe the person, they are going to imply it.

I haven't heard enough where I could personally say whether I think the democrats are making a convincing case or not though.

Jl808

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2019, 09:21:43 PM »


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2019, 01:09:28 PM »
Well, the Dems in the House have announced two articles of impeachment being drafted:

1.  Abuse of Power, and
2.  Obstruction of Congress

The Dems and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were naming "BRIBERY!!" as the offense the last 3-4 weeks, saying the evidence of bribery is overwhelming.

Why was bribery not included in the articles of impeachment?  They are using an ambiguous catch-all phrase instead.

They haven't identified a specific crime.  They are lobbing an accusation based on nothing more than "we believe Trump was trying to use foreign aid to get help against a political opponent."

Thin, unprovable, and no evidence to support their beliefs.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2019, 01:53:43 PM »
Well, the Dems in the House have announced two article of impeachment being drafted:

1.  Abuse of Power, and
2.  Obstruction of Congress

The Dems and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were naming "BRIBERY!!" as the offense the last 3-4 weeks, saying the evidence of bribery is overwhelming.

Why was bribery not included in the articles of impeachment?  They are using an ambiguous catch-all phrase instead.

They haven't identified a specific crime.  They are lobbing an accusation based on nothing more than "we believe Trump was trying to use foreign aid to get help against a political opponent."

Thin, unprovable, and no evidence to support their beliefs.
"Thin, unprovable, and no evidence to support their beliefs."
Since when has that meant anything to Democrats?
This impeachment will play out.  The next Democrat president
that has a Republican Congress had better watch his back.
Unlike Hawaii there are a few Republicans in America.

ren

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2019, 04:36:25 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/ed-case-releases-statement-on-articles-of-impeachment/

“I have supported the formal impeachment inquiry since the whistleblower’s report on the President’s dealings with Ukraine was provided to Congress in September. I have closely followed the inquiry, to include a full review of the Intelligence Committee’s 400-plus page majority and minority reports and personally attending the Judiciary Committee’s hearings. I have received thousands of responses from my constituents to my requests for their input. I believe that the facts revealed by the inquiry to date justify full U.S. House consideration of articles of impeachment for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

“However, I owe it to my country, my constituents and my own constitutional responsibilities to fully inform my decision before I vote on the articles. I’m not there yet because I haven’t reviewed all of the actual articles, the Judiciary Committee’s report and the full House debate. When I have done so, I will discharge my constitutional duty in this truly sad matter per my oath of office and to the best of my ability.”


clownery
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2019, 05:33:04 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/ed-case-releases-statement-on-articles-of-impeachment/

“I have supported the formal impeachment inquiry since the whistleblower’s report on the President’s dealings with Ukraine was provided to Congress in September. I have closely followed the inquiry, to include a full review of the Intelligence Committee’s 400-plus page majority and minority reports and personally attending the Judiciary Committee’s hearings. I have received thousands of responses from my constituents to my requests for their input. I believe that the facts revealed by the inquiry to date justify full U.S. House consideration of articles of impeachment for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

“However, I owe it to my country, my constituents and my own constitutional responsibilities to fully inform my decision before I vote on the articles. I’m not there yet because I haven’t reviewed all of the actual articles, the Judiciary Committee’s report and the full House debate. When I have done so, I will discharge my constitutional duty in this truly sad matter per my oath of office and to the best of my ability.”


clownery

Saturday afternoon, Schiff's office dumped thousands of pages of impeachment information on the Judicial Committee members to read prior to the Monday morning hearings.

Just more evidence how this process was a rushed witch hunt.

According to Collins, this will go down in history as "The Focus-Tested impeachment."

Still, the Senate will never get 2/3rds to convict.  And if there's a trial, the witnesses will not be blocked by the Schiff Show.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2019, 05:21:56 AM »
The newest rumors floating around is that there is a good reason why the USMCA was announced by Pelosi an hour after the announcement of the articles for impeachment. The rumor is she is trading votes for the USMCA in exchange for votes for impeachment. Apparently the 31 dem house reps that are in red states are nervous about losing their jobs. Supposedly Pelosi was holding up the USMCA due to her hatred towards trump and was being pressured by a lot of her constituents (Not just the 31) to get it in for a vote and they were threatening to vote against impeachment if she didn’t bring it up for a vote.

Otherwise it makes no sense to announce articles of impeachment and then hand trump a victory an hour later. Just goes to show how divisive impeachment is.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2019, 09:01:08 AM »
The newest rumors floating around is that there is a good reason why the USMCA was announced by Pelosi an hour after the announcement of the articles for impeachment. The rumor is she is trading votes for the USMCA in exchange for votes for impeachment. Apparently the 31 dem house reps that are in red states are nervous about losing their jobs. Supposedly Pelosi was holding up the USMCA due to her hatred towards trump and was being pressured by a lot of her constituents (Not just the 31) to get it in for a vote and they were threatening to vote against impeachment if she didn’t bring it up for a vote.

Otherwise it makes no sense to announce articles of impeachment and then hand trump a victory an hour later. Just goes to show how divisive impeachment is.
There you go with rationale thought as opposed to being blinded by emotion. . .

Is it just me or has Pelosi's speech patterns changed recently.  Like she's slurring more words or something. 

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2019, 09:13:24 AM »
...Is it just me or has Pelosi's speech patterns changed recently.  Like she's slurring more words or something.
Not recent. She has been an alcoholic for a long time!   :shake: :shake: :shake:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2019, 09:16:56 AM »
The newest rumors floating around is that there is a good reason why the USMCA was announced by Pelosi an hour after the announcement of the articles for impeachment. The rumor is she is trading votes for the USMCA in exchange for votes for impeachment. Apparently the 31 dem house reps that are in red states are nervous about losing their jobs. Supposedly Pelosi was holding up the USMCA due to her hatred towards trump and was being pressured by a lot of her constituents (Not just the 31) to get it in for a vote and they were threatening to vote against impeachment if she didn’t bring it up for a vote.

Otherwise it makes no sense to announce articles of impeachment and then hand trump a victory an hour later. Just goes to show how divisive impeachment is.

When the ACA passed, the Dems (lead by Obama) had a massive piggy bank under the guise of a "Stimulus Package" from which they  bought  bribed  coerced  incentivized  rewarded  negotiated  traded for votes.

I was wondering what Pelosi was going to use this time to ... trade ... for their impeachment support.

Bernie got a house for being Hidabeast's sacrificial lamb.  I wonder who in the Dem field is getting the new house after 2020?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2019, 09:27:18 AM »
Not recent. She has been an alcoholic for a long time!   :shake: :shake: :shake:
It seems to have gotten worse in say the past 2-3 weeks.  Or maybe I was just hearing more from her as I've been watching the TV news more.

Reminds me of this math professor I had in college.  I swear she was a high functioning drunk and probably in early dementia and actually looked quite like Pelosi.  Anyways, one day, she was trying to write the symbol for delta on the whiteboard.  She drew it upside down.  She sort of shrugged, shook her head and mumbled "wait, no".  She then erased the upside down delta and said out loud "delta" and drew it upside down again.  This did NOT go unnoticed by the class.  She sort of shrugged again, shook her head, erased the upside down delta and finally wrote the delta right side up.  The class was statistics and was pretty cake, but she certainly made it challenging. . .  :shake:

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2019, 09:37:27 AM »
It seems to have gotten worse in say the past 2-3 weeks.  Or maybe I was just hearing more from her as I've been watching the TV news more.

Reminds me of this math professor I had in college.  I swear she was a high functioning drunk and probably in early dementia and actually looked quite like Pelosi.  Anyways, one day, she was trying to write the symbol for delta on the whiteboard.  She drew it upside down.  She sort of shrugged, shook her head and mumbled "wait, no".  She then erased the upside down delta and said out loud "delta" and drew it upside down again.  This did NOT go unnoticed by the class.  She sort of shrugged again, shook her head, erased the upside down delta and finally wrote the delta right side up.  The class was statistics and was pretty cake, but she certainly made it challenging. . .  :shake:
In reality I have not noticed but I have not paid much attention to her lately. My comment about her being an alcoholic was a sarcastic remark since a lot of videos of her slurring her words have been doctored to make her look that way.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2019, 10:02:37 AM »
When the ACA passed, the Dems (lead by Obama) had a massive piggy bank under the guise of a "Stimulus Package" from which they  bought  bribed  coerced  incentivized  rewarded  negotiated  traded for votes.

I was wondering what Pelosi was going to use this time to ... trade ... for their impeachment support.

Bernie got a house for being Hidabeast's sacrificial lamb.  I wonder who in the Dem field is getting the new house after 2020?

Funny how shes getting credit for the trade deal, when it was Trump who planned it from day 1.  It was being held up by the DNC.