What really is a QPQ?  Like when Barry gave millions to a book company for coming up with common core math, then years later he received 65million back for a book deal from the same company?  When AOC receives millions in her Netflix deal just for speaking out against Trump. QPQ happens all the time in politics.  Who donates to what Super PAC's?

Agree with you on the first half disagree on the second half.

I hadn't heard any claim that its unethical to investigate a candidate but I suppose it is possible.

Unethical might be the wrong word I'm trying to remember, but they were basically saying Trump is wrong for investigating an opponent's family member.

The prosecution and defense are both cherry picking, that's what they do. If you want to call that lying then they are both lying.

Wrong.

When the House shows a 10 second clip, and the Trump lawyers show that clip PLUS another 20-30 seconds to provide either context or completely contradicting evidence, the Trump team is not "cherry picking."

The truth is not a cherry.  It's a light under which cherry picked statements presented in a false narrative are destroyed.

The vote for acquittal will come next Wednesday. I can hardly wait. The clown show will be over and the idiots claiming the trial was unfair will start in earnest. What a bunch of fucking idiots. 

The vote for acquittal will come next Wednesday. I can hardly wait. The clown show will be over and the idiots claiming the trial was unfair will start in earnest. What a bunch of fucking idiots. 

My guess is, McConnell is delaying until then to:

1.  avoid a Friday or weekend vote that will be buried in the news cycle, and

2.  give the Dems a few more days to squirm and try to engineer yet another obviously fake piece of evidence to stall the vote.

 

Next thing you know Bolton will release another manuscript stating he has Trumps dried spew on a blue dress he wore in the whitehouse. 

Next thing you know Bolton will release another manuscript stating he has Trumps dried spew on a blue dress he wore in the whitehouse. 

'Most people think of rape as being sexy.'-E Jean Carrol.

Heads on a swivel guys...dnc need to distract the TDSers.

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Heads on a swivel guys...dnc need to distract the TDSers.

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The distraction will likely be more of the "Kavanaugh" style attacks.  More and more info will fall out of the sky to describe how Bolton's never-read manuscript of his not-yet-published book contains damning information for Trump -- even though Bolton himself has already denied the first leak's accuracy.  Both the publisher and the author have denied leaking the manuscript.  That leaves anyone with whom Bolton shared his manuscript, such as the national security agencies he's required to have review it in case anything in it is classified.

After this whole non-whistleblower informant stuff went down, it's very possible there are still never-Trumpers in this administration working to take down the President by leaking manuscript excepts whether or not they are actual quotes.

Or maybe the coronavirus is the distraction.

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Or maybe the coronavirus is the distraction.

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That's the stretch of all stretches....       

The Democrats are already lying about the trial stating there were NO witnesses/testimony and no documents presented. Therefore the trial is unfair and illegitimate.

Like Heavies said, there is no evidence of a crime here. And even if Trump did the things the Democrats said he did, it is does not rise to an impeachable event.

Jim Jordan has an interesting take on this clown show. He said there are four facts that the Democrats cannot change:

1. There was never a Quid Pro Quo. Even the one and only fact witness who was on the call, questioned by the Democrats said there was no Quid Pro Quo. All other witnesses were not on the call and are hearsay witnesses only. In order to have a Quid Pro Quo there must be a linkage between the money and the investigation. There is no mention of money at all in the call. Therefore there can never be a Quid Pro Quo. Read the transcript.
2. Both Presidents on the phone call have stated there was no pressure, no pushing, no linkage of security assistance dollars and an investigation. Read the transcript.
3. The Ukrainians did not even know the security assistance money was being held at the time of the call. They did not even find out about it until a month later when Politico published their article.
4. The Ukrainians never started an investigation.

Based on these four facts there cannot be the made up article of impeachment abuse of power. This case cannot be made because that would require actual abuse of someone/country and the president of Ukraine verifies there was none. Who/where/what is the victim here? There is no victim. Therefore there is no abuse.

The other made up article of impeachment obstruction of congress cannot be made because the president has article 2 powers set forth by the constitution. Allowing him to block witnesses and document release. The Democrats disagree. And in our Republic, what do we do when 2 branches of government disagree on something? They go to SCOTUS and let them clear up the disagreement. The Democrats never went to SCOTUS. Only if SCOTUS had decided in the favor of the House and then if the president still tried to block witness testimony and document release then the president would be guilty of obstructing congress.

Whatever John Bolton has to say will make no difference. Even if he says there was a Quid Pro Quo the four facts above don’t change.

Ukraine is talking to the hunter investigator that was fired. He also stated that an attempt was made on his life. 



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My guess is, McConnell is delaying until then to:

1.  avoid a Friday or weekend vote that will be buried in the news cycle, and

2.  give the Dems a few more days to squirm and try to engineer yet another obviously fake piece of evidence to stall the vote.

 

SOTU address is scheduled for 4FEB20.  The day before the Vote to acquit.
Gives America a good show of who represents us and how they act.

SOTU address is scheduled for 4FEB20.  The day before the Vote to acquit.
Gives America a good show of who represents us and how they act.

I am very happy the way this clown show turned out. While it is obvious it should never have occurred, it went about as well as could be expected. And the Senate did the right thing IMHO. They listened to all the crap for 2 weeks and voted to not extend the clown show out. I am interested to see if any Democrats vote to acquit. If so, how many. It would be surprising to me to see more than 2 or 3. The more that vote to acquit the more legit Trump will appear. And the credibility of the Democrats will drop. JMHO

The state of the union will be good to watch but I think I already know what Trump will say. It will be interesting tho to hear how he handles the impeachment topic. Probably better off not to say much except let’s move forward from here and do more for the country.

I am very happy the way this clown show turned out. While it is obvious it should never have occurred, it went about as well as could be expected. And the Senate did the right thing IMHO. They listened to all the crap for 2 weeks and voted to not extend the clown show out. I am interested to see if any Democrats vote to acquit. If so, how many. It would be surprising to me to see more than 2 or 3. The more that vote to acquit the more legit Trump will appear. And the credibility of the Democrats will drop. JMHO

The state of the union will be good to watch but I think I already know what Trump will say. It will be interesting tho to hear how he handles the impeachment topic. Probably better off not to say much except let’s move forward from here and do more for the country.

Unless the Dems think there's even a slim chance to defeat the vote to acquit, they have a decision to make:  vote with the Schiff Show kicked off by Pelosi, or vote in a sane and deliberative way and acquit.

They can only fall on their swords for this sad excuse for a political party so many times until they realize the pain isn't worth it.  Jeff Van Drew did the sane thing by switching parties in the middle of impeachment.  That should signal to everyone -- Congress critter and regular voter alike -- how unjustified this attack on our president was now, for his first 2 1/2 years, and during the remainder of his 8 years.

Unethical might be the wrong word I'm trying to remember, but they were basically saying Trump is wrong for investigating an opponent's family member.

Well it is certainly a conflict of interest.

Wrong.

When the House shows a 10 second clip, and the Trump lawyers show that clip PLUS another 20-30 seconds to provide either context or completely contradicting evidence, the Trump team is not "cherry picking."

The truth is not a cherry.  It's a light under which cherry picked statements presented in a false narrative are destroyed.

I have been listening to a lot of the defense team arguments and they are definitely cherry picking too. Sekulow isn't painting the whole picture either. The prosecution might be doing it more but they are both doing it.

Bottom line is Trump is not going to be removed from office and will very likely get re-elected.

When the economy is good, the current POTUS gets re-elected.