Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down??? (Read 13191 times)

stangzilla

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2020, 11:45:11 AM »
some people choose to do nothing.  that is enabling evil to win
my past has taught me to be proactive and reactive, not inactive
if I saw an older person obviously getting mugged and assaulted and there is no way they can help themselves, you dam right i'm going to help them.  what exactly that help is depends on the situation.  but i'm not going to stand by and do nothing.

RSN172

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2020, 11:52:50 AM »
More than 90% of the people I observe appear to be unarmed.  No pocket clip to indicate a tactical folder, no cane, etc.  My daughter doesn't carry a purse but carries a Mace gun with her hand on it in a light jacket pocket when walking to and from her car.  I also tell her to keep her head on a swivel.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2020, 12:04:45 PM »
More than 90% of the people I observe appear to be unarmed.  No pocket clip to indicate a tactical folder, no cane, etc.  My daughter doesn't carry a purse but carries a Mace gun with her hand on it in a light jacket pocket when walking to and from her car.  I also tell her to keep her head on a swivel.

My EDC doesn't show any clips.  I have my OC and knives in my pockets/IWB.  The only place I show the clip is at the range.

RSN172

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2020, 12:30:06 PM »
My EDC doesn't show any clips.  I have my OC and knives in my pockets/IWB.  The only place I show the clip is at the range.
Same here.  I keep my knives concealed and I almost always wear a baseball cap that has a flat 8 oz lead weight in sewn in the back.  Getting hit by that will knock you out.  Cap is not at all uncomfortable and I can wear it for hours not even noticing the weight.
Happily living in Puna

drck1000

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2020, 12:43:27 PM »
In today's MODERN COMMERCIAL UNIVERSE, with crimes and accidents a daily reality, one would assume businesses would install cameras and hire security staff to monitor them as Standard Operating Procedure.

Accidents, insurance scams, shoplifting, theft/damage by employees, robbery, and a whole host of other events are much easier to deter and resolve when someone is watching and recording the site on video surveillance..

You'd think as often as Hawaii's population visit's Vegas casinos they'd understand the benefits of wall-to-wall surveillance.
I'm seeing a lot more folks with Ring doorbells, other remote video stuff, etc.  Usually when they report the incidents those cameras capture.  Some of them get the trespasser (usually worse) almost looking directly at the camera. 

drck1000

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2020, 12:54:30 PM »
I'm a fan of letting people have what they want, which in this case is a population of sheep unequipped to look out for each other. Sure, the presence of someone who looks capable of handling himself might deter a criminal, but it might just add another victim to the tally. To each their own, though. Do what makes you happy.
So they deserve what they get?  I don't know any of those that were victimized, but I know many seniors who choose to do things on their own.  There are also those that don't really have anyone else for support. 

Yeah, to each his own for sure.  A lot of my perspective on the attacks on the elderly comes from my grandmother.  She really valued her independence and lived on her own for maybe 10 years after my grandfather died.  She would go from Kalihi by bus all around.  Church, bank, grocery shopping, etc.  Was a lot of that because it was safer back then?  Maybe.  In any case, she preferred to do things on her own and be independent.  One of her worst fears about growing old was that she would be a burden on family.  And there was plenty of available and willing support.  At times I would practically have to force her to let me help her with things.  Of course there's more, but she was a huge part of what formed my values. 

drck1000

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2020, 01:03:41 PM »
some people choose to do nothing.  that is enabling evil to win
my past has taught me to be proactive and reactive, not inactive
if I saw an older person obviously getting mugged and assaulted and there is no way they can help themselves, you dam right i'm going to help them.  what exactly that help is depends on the situation.  but i'm not going to stand by and do nothing.
Pretty much spot on to what I think/believe.  Context of the situation is key, but I too wouldn't be able to just sit back and just witness something like that going down. 

Little bit different topic, but those whose first instinct is to pull out their phones and capture things usually make me  ::) and  :grrr:  Have seen it too many times.  In one case, I was walking back to my car and I came across a few people with cell phones videoing toward a side street.  I get to the side street and see a person lying on the sidewalk and sort of writhing and could tell right away something was wrong.  I went over and it was a woman in her 20s and was sort of dazed and just looking at the sky.  I asked her if she was ok and no response.  I asked if anyone called 911 and all said no, so I called 911 and was on the phone with the dispatcher and was describing the situation.  While I was clarifying the location, she suddenly just got up and started stumbling down the street.  After I thought to myself "WTF people!  You just thought to video things and no one called 911!"

stangzilla

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2020, 02:18:00 PM »
Pretty much spot on to what I think/believe.  Context of the situation is key, but I too wouldn't be able to just sit back and just witness something like that going down. 

Little bit different topic, but those whose first instinct is to pull out their phones and capture things usually make me  ::) and  :grrr:  Have seen it too many times.  In one case, I was walking back to my car and I came across a few people with cell phones videoing toward a side street.  I get to the side street and see a person lying on the sidewalk and sort of writhing and could tell right away something was wrong.  I went over and it was a woman in her 20s and was sort of dazed and just looking at the sky.  I asked her if she was ok and no response.  I asked if anyone called 911 and all said no, so I called 911 and was on the phone with the dispatcher and was describing the situation.  While I was clarifying the location, she suddenly just got up and started stumbling down the street.  After I thought to myself "WTF people!  You just thought to video things and no one called 911!"

I have a sort of similar story:
I was at the gym between sets, catching my breath.  I see this girl squatting a pretty heavy weight and notice after she racks the bar, she goes down to her knees and then lies on her back and breathing heavy.  I think maybe shes just really tired and resting.  after a couple minutes she is still lying on the ground.  this doesn't look normal to me.  everybody just walking right by her.  so I go up to her and ask if she's ok, needs help, needs water, wants me to get help for her.  but she says she just lifted too much weight and will be ok.  so I just keep watching her for a while and she gets up very slowly holding her back and looks like her back is strained.  so I go up to her again and ask if she's ok.  she says she'll be ok and thanks me for my concern, and as she is walking away I can tell her back is pretty sore by the way she is walking.  but I was thinking to myself, "wow, all these people in here just walked right by her without any concern for another persons well being."  years ago I tore my pec in the gym benching.  I was by myself.  for a while I was down on the ground too and nobody asked me if I was ok.  gets me to realize there's no social politeness anymore, or concern for others

Cougar8045

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2020, 03:30:12 PM »
So they deserve what they get?  I don't know any of those that were victimized, but I know many seniors who choose to do things on their own.  There are also those that don't really have anyone else for support. 

This state has the most restrictive gun laws in the country.  That doesn't mean they deserve to get mugged, but it does mean I'm not lifting a finger to help someone I don't know, putting myself at risk.  If the voters want to constantly bleat for ever more restrictive gun laws, that's their prerogative, and the police are just a phone call away. I'll be minding my own business.  People who have no respect for my human rights don't deserve my help or sympathy when things go poorly for them. 
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

drck1000

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2020, 03:41:10 PM »
I have a sort of similar story:
I was at the gym between sets, catching my breath.  I see this girl squatting a pretty heavy weight and notice after she racks the bar, she goes down to her knees and then lies on her back and breathing heavy.  I think maybe shes just really tired and resting.  after a couple minutes she is still lying on the ground.  this doesn't look normal to me.  everybody just walking right by her.  so I go up to her and ask if she's ok, needs help, needs water, wants me to get help for her.  but she says she just lifted too much weight and will be ok.  so I just keep watching her for a while and she gets up very slowly holding her back and looks like her back is strained.  so I go up to her again and ask if she's ok.  she says she'll be ok and thanks me for my concern, and as she is walking away I can tell her back is pretty sore by the way she is walking.  but I was thinking to myself, "wow, all these people in here just walked right by her without any concern for another persons well being."  years ago I tore my pec in the gym benching.  I was by myself.  for a while I was down on the ground too and nobody asked me if I was ok.  gets me to realize there's no social politeness anymore, or concern for others
BLUF: You were checking out the cutie lifting. . .  ;D  Yoga pants?   :love:

At least that's what I got from the story  :rofl:

stangzilla

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2020, 05:21:46 AM »
BLUF: You were checking out the cutie lifting. . .  ;D  Yoga pants?   :love:

At least that's what I got from the story  :rofl:

Maybe  :D

RSN172

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2020, 10:04:04 AM »
Murder on street by a naked man wielding a knife in Eden Roc last night, the subdivision next to mine.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2020, 10:43:39 AM »
In today's MODERN COMMERCIAL UNIVERSE, with crimes and accidents a daily reality, one would assume businesses would install cameras and hire security staff to monitor them as Standard Operating Procedure.

Accidents, insurance scams, shoplifting, theft/damage by employees, robbery, and a whole host of other events are much easier to deter and resolve when someone is watching and recording the site on video surveillance..

You'd think as often as Hawaii's population visit's Vegas casinos they'd understand the benefits of wall-to-wall surveillance.

The problem is most have shitty systems. All blurry and stuff.  Even banks camera's blurry.  My $24 WYZE camera is way clearer than what the media post.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2020, 11:09:26 AM »
The problem is most have shitty systems. All blurry and stuff.  Even banks camera's blurry.  My $24 WYZE camera is way clearer than what the media post.

4K HD standard recording wasn't available when most systems were purchased.  "TV quality", or 480p (720x480),  was the standard for many, many years -- and expensive compared to less resolution 320p cameras.

The higher the resolution, the more recording and backup storage space is needed, and the faster the recording system needs to be to handle that data stream,  Multiply that HD camera's needs by a dozen or more, and the trade-offs start happening.  Lower resolution, B&W vs color, and slower refresh rates (standard TV is 60Hz, and better TVs do higher multiples like 120Hz & 240Hz).  Lowering the refresh to 30 frames per second (fps) or 15 fps greatly reduces the system requirements to handle the video being recorded and stored.

Prices have come way down, thanks to companies like Wyze.  However, if you read the manual (website), they specifically state their products are not to be relied upon for security applications.  They just aren't that reliable.

It costs a bunch to upgrade a security system.  You need to run power and a/v cables if not already in place and capable.  You need backup power, a/v recording and backup media/hardware.  Cameras need to be protected from the elements if outdoors and from tampering (heavy duty housings, cable conduit, etc).  WiFi is not reliable enough nor robust enough to handle most business' video surveillance needs.  Physical cables run to each camera is needed.  Luckily, PoE cables that carry both power and a/v signals saves on the installation cost, but the cameras and recording systems can cost a little more, too. 

Most of these places that show their crappy video on the news use the systems mainly as a visible deterrent more than anything.  It can fill in the gaps when needing to know who did what and in what order, but it is horrible for identification.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2020, 04:52:55 PM »
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Why? Because I care about the elderly, especially them being targeted.  No one said anything about being armed.  No one said putting myself at risk.  IMO, having a someone who isn't "as easy a target" in the area would serve as a deterrent.  From what I've seen of recent incidents, the attackers picked out elderly out either alone, without any else in the area.  Something I choose to do. . .
Thanks for watching out for us "Old Farts".  :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2020, 04:59:42 PM »
wear a baseball cap that has a flat 8 oz lead weight in sewn in the back.
I might have to start wearing a hat  :D
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2020, 05:02:47 PM »
Thanks for watching out for us "Old Farts".  :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
:bow:

1) You aren't that old.

2) You're more than capable of watching out for yourself and defending yourself.  That and you'll always have Rockette  :love:

eyeeatingfish

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2020, 09:43:49 PM »
Either stuff doesn't happen as often as it used to for the past few months due to the holidays, or someone called the news and told them to not report the stories.

I don't see as much postings on either news pages or on SSH.

#tinfoil

Cops did kill 3 guys in the past 2 months or so... Maybe the criminals cut back?

Jl808

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changemyoil66

Re: Postings of crime and gun crimes slowing down???
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2020, 10:18:29 PM »
Cops did kill 3 guys in the past 2 months or so... Maybe the criminals cut back?
No, gun related crimes begun again. It was the holidays.

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